Admissions:
Written by: Barb Siebertz
Directed by: Lev L. Spiro
Original airdate: April 11, 2001 (another 2 weeks break after a 6 week break)
Synopsis:
As Joey talks with Jen about the college admission process, taking note of the large number of colleges that Jen and Jack have both gotten accepted into, she receives a note to go to the office to call home. While there, she runs into Dawson who receives a similar message and the two each call home, with Joey elated to hear she was accepted into Worthington, while Dawson finds out that his application for NYU film school was rejected. Pacey is super happy to hear about Joey’s good news but convinces her to cut class because she truly won’t believe it until she reads the letter for herself.
Meanwhile, Jack is trying to convince Jen that New York is the place that THEY should be considering for their school choice, simply because she always said it’s the only city worth living in. When she seems to balk at the idea, he suggests talking about her issues regarding New York with her therapist, who brings things around to her parents, a topic Jen has decidedly tried to avoid in her sessions. Tom tries to get her to remember the last time she actually talked with her parents, and surprisingly can’t recall when she last talked with her father.
Elsewhere Dawson talks with Gretchen who cheers him up with the knowledge that he doesn’t NEED NYU to be a great filmmaker, reminding him of Brooks and his own career, which immediately cheers him up.
Bessie and Brodie are overjoyed with the news of Joey being the first Potter to go to college and decide to throw a huge barbecue to celebrate. The excitement is short lived however as Joey receives another letter from Worthington which outlines their costs, and she finds out that in order to receive the financial aid package, she needs to chip in 15,000 due to the Bed and Breakfast’s income, which has seen a great amount of success lately. With her dreams dashed, Joey tells Bessie to have the barbecue and to keep this secret, also telling Pacey to not mention it, wanting to not have anyone feeling sorry for her.
Gretchen talks with Pacey, sensing something is off, and he reveals that he is thinking of Joey due to her financial aid packet being denied and that he is kind of happy about it, referring to his own lack of a college future.
At the barbecue, Mitch and Gail bring Dawson a package he got from USC and discovers that he has been accepted into their school, causing everyone to give their congratulations while Joey slinks off to be alone. Dawson goes to find her and she reveals her financial woes, leaving him to offer her Mr Brooks money. She tries to turn him down but he tells her to take time to consider it first.
Jen, on Tom’s suggestion, goes to Drue to find out what happened when she last talked to her father, seeing as how he was present, and he recounts the story of how her father walked in on them after they had gotten drunk and were hanging out at her place, not long after Jen had been caught with Billy doing the deed. Drue mentions however that during the fight, Jen made sure to make it known that the fight wasn’t about him at all and Jen realizes she was using Drue back then to get back at her father and provoke him, leaving her to apologize to him.
Joey tells Pacey she is considering staying in Capeside for a year and then reapplying for financial aid once she is an adult and financially independent from Bessie, but Pacey tells her that it never is “just a year” in towns like these, fearing she will get stuck. He talks with Dawson later and while he at one point starts to get defensive, he has to agree with Dawson’s points that Joey has worked hard for this for all of her high school career against all the odds, including her father’s incarceration, and that she really wouldn’t be happy anywhere else.
Joey goes to Dawson later and finally reveals to him about how she lied when they ran into each other after the senior ski trip, finally telling him the truth about her and Pacey sleeping together.
Meanwhile back in therapy, Jen reveals that all she knows now is that her and her father just had a fight the last time they talked. Tom tells her that when she is ready to find out exactly what they were fighting about, it’ll come to her. When she questions if the point of therapy is to learn to stop hating her parents, he counters with that she is there to stop hating herself, that her having sex at such a young age was done as a cry out for love and that once she can remember all the details of what happened she will be able to move forward and he will help her to turn into someone who is meant to shine in the world.
Meanwhile Pacey reveals to Joey that he was happy for Joey getting into Worthington but also happy when she found out she couldn’t afford to go, because he felt like it wouldn’t be him holding her back from her dreams. She assures him that she never feels like he is doing such a thing, and despite him asking her to cut him loose if she ever does feel that way, she promises it will never happen.
Joey arrives home to find Dawson waiting for her and he gives her an envelope with a check. She is surprised but he explains that while he isn’t sure how he feels yet about her and Pacey sleeping together, he knows that giving her the money is the right thing to do because of what they mean to each other, and the two hug, reaffirming their friendship.
Dawson's Trivia:
Barb Siebertz is the credited writer of this episode, but isn’t credited on IMDb for it; the credit is given to DC writer and producer Chris Levinson. According to IMDb, Barb has no affiliation with Dawson’s Creek at all, but only a small handful of credits as a script coordinator, writing assistant and post-production supervisor.
All guest stars have appeared on the show before. No new ones.
Eastern Standard Time:
Written by: Jonathan Kasdan
Directed by: David Grossman
Original airdate: April 18, 2001
Synopsis:
As Joey and Jen partake in Senior Ditch Day by traveling to New York so Jen can meet with a college admissions agent and Joey can explore the city, Dawson remains at home with Gretchen playing a board game before her questions about why he isn’t ditching himself, lead him to do just that, taking Gretchen off on a wild ride out of town.
Pacey tries to withstand Drue’s presence as he struggles to take and pass quiz after quiz this morning, slowly finding his confidence being shattered as the other students around him seemingly have no problem passing the quizzes easily. Pacey ends up taking Drue up on his offer to ditch and the two end up heading out to a bar that Drue knows is not picky about fake IDs.
Jen introduces Joey to an old friend of hers before deciding to head off on her own but Joey calls her out on her ruse: she isn’t here to see a college advisor but rather to confront her dad as part of her therapy. Joey vows to go with her for moral support. Upon meeting Mr. Lindley, a flashy, high priced businessman, is overjoyed to see Jen and showers her with compliments and congratulations due to her being accepted into college. He cancels his appointments and the three head off to lunch together.
Meanwhile, Dawson and Gretchen end up getting a flat tire and walking miles to the nearest town where they find a mechanic named Irv who will gladly help them out with a new tire and ride back to their car after Dawson agrees to help said mechanic fix his own car first. Gretchen heads off to find them food and encounters a waitress at a local diner with less than a friendly and welcome attitude.
Meanwhile, Jen’s dad ends up leaving lunch early due to some business issues that suddenly popped up and he tells the girls to enjoy themselves as he has paid for everything. Jen takes Joey up to the rooftop and shows her various points of interest. Joey presses Jen about what happened the night Jen’s mother went to Capeside alone, leaving Jen to spend the weekend at home with her father and Jen reveals that she simply walked around and slept in various places around the city. Jen makes a quick excuse and heads off on her own, while Joey worries that Jen won’t make it back to the train in time to return home.
After fixing Irv’s car, he drives Dawson and Gretchen back to their car with a new tire. The conversation turns to how they will pay for the tire and apparently the drive. Seeing as the two young adults don’t have any money, Irv explains that he can’t actually help them and drops them off on the side of the road, dashing Dawson’s ideas of Irv as an altruistic nice small town guy. Gretchen withholds Dawson’s food until he can come up with a solution to their problem which ends up being the two of them hanging out on the nearby beach by a campfire that he made using his Boy Scout skills.
Jen heads home to her fathers apartment and confronts him, revealing that when her mother left her home that fateful weekend, Jen came home to find her father having sex with an 18 year old neighbor who Jen had a great fondness for. Mr. Lindsey protests but Jen cuts him off saying she doesn’t want a confession or apology, just that she came there so she could forgive herself for those things that were out of her control, as she leaves him behind, returning to Joey at the train station.
Gretchen and Dawson make out on the beach and while it seems as if he is ready to take the next step with her, a conversation between reveals that the moment isn’t really right, and that he is trying to move too fast just to keep up with Joey and her experiences with Pacey. The two agree to slow down so that the right moment can happen later for the right reasons.
Meanwhile, Pacey and Drue end up getting drunk at the bar but after a while Drue’s money runs out and the barkeep confronts them, as a drunk Pacey starts sassing off to him, resulting in the cops being called, notably, Deputy Doug. Pacey loses it and confesses that he feels like he has no future except being a drunk, a moron, and a failure.
Jen attends her next therapy session and reveals that now that she has faced her father, she feels ready to move on and end her sessions. Tom protests but in the end, he lets her go, seeing that she has indeed changed for the better.
Dawson's Trivia:
We’ve seen director David Grossman before, he directed the Sliders episode “The Alternateville Horror,” and the Lois & Clark episodes “Voice from the Past” & “Brutal Youth.”
Don McManus played Theo Lindley. He’s appeared in a number of shows and movies such as Northern Exposure, Murder One, Any Day Now, Party Of Five, TILT, Boston Legal, 24, and various TV movies as a supporting actor. Most recently he was in The Starling (a Melissa McCarthy movie about a woman who combats a feisty bird but rediscovers her own will to live after a tragedy). He was also in six episodes of 2018’s Sorry For Your Loss (An Elizabeth Olsen series about a woman dealing with her husband's death and realizing she didn’t really know him.)
Irv was played by Pat Hingle, best known as Commissioner Gordon in Batman ‘89, and the following movies in that universe. He has a long history of roles in movies going back to the 50’s, such as Clint Eastwood’s Hang Em High and a number of other westerns. Some of his later roles include Talladega Nights: The Ballad Of Ricky Bobby, and a movie called Undoing Time (a time travel movie). He died in 2009 at age 84.
Shea Broom was the bar waitress. She was only in 5 shows, including I Know What You Did Last Summer as a contestant, and an episode of Monk.
Typo was played by Cedric Pendleton, who most recently was in a movie called For The Love Of Money. Other than that he’s had roles in some of Tyler Perry’s movies, The Shield, The Guardian, True Blood, and Archer.
Mike Pniewski played Dr. Rochford. He’s had 170-some roles, all supporting. Some notable roles are Abe Benedict in a few episodes of The Resident, Gordon Becker in 22 episodes of Madam Secretary, Judge Drood in 3 episodes of Longmire, Frank Landau in 13 episodes of The Good Wife, 13 episodes of Drop Dead Diva, and 6 episodes of Law & Order. He also had a small role in Shake Rattle and Roll: An American Love Story.
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Classic Creek Critiques:
Randyman: This is the first episode i can remember in the past 2 seasons where Pacey isn't eating or drinking anthing although he was cooking burgers. Good work producers. Did Pacey lose his comb? His hair looked aweful. Things became too surrealistic. No guy would give a girl $15000 after finding out that his ex best friend de-virginized her. Puhlease. Plus, why wouldn't she just borrow the money? and whats this about never being able to repay $15000? Is she going to one of what they call the most prestigous colleges in the country to graduate and work at McDonalds? I hope she will make more than $15000 during the course of her life. Borrow the freaking money girl. Gayle gets on my nerves. Whiner. USC takes Dawson, but not NYU? I understand that Dawson will have to go to a land far far away and battle Darth Vader and. This I can accept. and last but not least. Is Jack going to bang Jen or her therapist?
PJ responds: he didn't give Joey the money over the sex issue. He gave her the money because he doesn't need it, she does, and he would like for them to remain friends. and helping Joey to achieve a dream that she has wanted all her life is in Dawson's opinion "a great thing"
and this is Television. where things don't follow reality, they follow the reality that 'we' wish would happen. a reality in which a young man inherits a ton of money from a man he hardly knows and then gives it to the girl next door to live her dreams. despite the fact that she dumped him for his best friend. I guess you never did the financial aid dance. cause it's likely to be $15K a year. And paying back $60K is a lot (I had to pay back about $35K for my undergrad days. and that was with a ton of grants etc. Just like Joey) fact of the matter, some folks would consider USC to be the better choice over NYU. the idea behind that bit could have been something like 'I didn't get into NYU, I don't have a snowballs chance with USC' but then he did get in.
remember how joey said that yes the B and B is making money, but the families expenses have gone up. well the financial aid folks might not give a shit about that. but the banks (you know the ones that give out loans) do. they could look at the income and expenses and say that there is no way that the Potters can pay back the loan. Yes there are student loan programs, but guess what? those would already be figured in. The 15K can't be paid by the programs like the Stafford loan. this is one detail of realism that is accurate. The government looks at your income etc and says that you have to pay XX by yourself. and you can't get the standard federal loans to pay it (there are a couple of nonstandard loans, if you are broke enough, but as I recall, those would have been in her aid package already if she qualified). As for the borrow from Dawson issue. yes pride is a factor. Many friendships have been lost over money. Loaned or given. Joey would feel obligated to Dawson. it's a sticky situation. one that she would rather avoid.
Metgrrl420 jumps in: yep.. i am having the same type of finacial aid problems.. i swear the system is so screwed up.. I havent lived w/ my parents for 2 yrs, and because im not 24 i still have to put their income down... it sucks cuz they dont have the money for me, and now they are getting a divorce, but still have to put income down.. the whole system is screwed up... they dont care if you have twice as much debt as what you make in a year.. sorry just venting =)
i think this was the best episode in awhile
PJ finishes: like I said, this is one thing that the PTBs got right. I'm betting a lot of folks were relating when they heard the news. and thinking the same thing that Dawson was--it shouldn't have to be about money.
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Mal reviews: Firstly, I'd like to thank everyone for their *outstanding* comments on this episode... maybe it's because I've been without Dawsons Creek for seven weeks, but I really enjoyed hearing all your views on the matter. I have no doubt this is the best board I've ever visited, and it's people like you who make keep coming back! :) Right, onto the episode. While watching this, I had a bizarre, almost surreal thought running through the back of my mind. That the writers actually knew what they are doing. Yes, I hear the gasps from the audience but... could these writers who have continually tortured us with the triangle, with seemingly trivial storylines and some pretty hammy lines, actually have an idea where the show is supposed to go? I'm not certain yet, but I get the feeling that the producers of this show know what they want to do, it's just the execution that teeters off course sometimes.
With that in mind, I must say that I thoroughly enjoyed this episode, and I honestly thought it was as filled with tension and honest human emotion as was the episode before it. As my friend Steve says, it's all about good old-fashioned contrived drama. I was rather surprised to see the old credits back though, it seemed kind of silly to put new ones in and take them out two episodes later.
Perhaps it was a sinister conspiracy, perhaps it was a blatant attempt to evoke sentiment in me, but I truly did feel sorry for Joey in this episode. My heart went out to her a dozen times as she sruggled with the notion that her dreams were about to come true, but only to realise they were collapsing around her. Since this was in essence, Joey's episode, I'll concentrate my discussion on her.
I think Joey is human and for a teenager, has coped tremendously well with the pain she has suffered in her life. And rest assured, Joey has indeed suffered. Losing not just her mother to cancer, but her father to such extrenuous circumstances at such a young age can cause no end of psychological issues. However, she has never broken, she has never given up. Yes, there are of course side-effects due to what she has gone through. She has developed a hard outer shell, and pushes people away when she fears that they will end up hurting her.
Perhaps the way Joey feels these days can be best described by the words Pacey once said when referring to himself. That Joey is simply waiting for the other shoe to drop. She goes through life everyday not believing what she has. A loving, supportive boyfriend whom she loves very much, and loves her back. A fantastic best friend in Dawson, who has been there for her through the hurt and the rain, for so long. A family that loves her unconditionally. Friends that care about her. A good academic record. So much hope, so much faith - but could it all be just a dream?
I think that Joey feels any second, the world will come crashing down around her as it has happened so many times before. That she is somehow unworthy of doing great things of her life, that the gossipers in Capeside are right, she is just "white trash". Sometimes, when you keep losing, no matter how hard you fight... you start to accept it.
Perhaps that's the reason she lied to Dawson even. Perhaps she didn't want to upset the fragile friendship she had managed to recover with him in the past few months. Perhaps, as she said, she was confused about the big step she's taken in her life by having sex for the first time. Seeing how much she wants to believe in something - soulmates, true love, eternal friendship. Perhaps, it's not a matter of *wanting* to believe, but actually believing in an idea, of a plausible future perhaps, that Joey needs.
When she recieved that phone call I noticed her face light-up for just one brief second... as if things really were going right for her. But then came the anticipation of the bad, of the cog in the wheel. No doubt a lot of her sombre mood can be attributed to the fact that Dawson didn't make it into his New York Film School... but also because of that cloud of self doubt.
I was glad that Joey wanted to discuss the future with Pacey. It's rare that she wants to start the conversation about such serious matters! So, Joey waits for the shoe to drop, and boy, does it fall. The situation is indeed quite ironic, because the B&B is doing well for once, she doesn't get the college grant! It was a little confusing why she refused the student loans option though... Mind you, $US60,000 is a lot of money to payback! Which is why I'm really glad about Australia's University education system, where you only have to pay back a fraction of the cost for a degree to the government, interest free and deducted by percentage as tax once you start earning enough. However, I understand her reaction. The money issue, to her, must have just been fate telling her she wasn't good enough, and she was just going along for the ride.
I don't understand how a lot of people could feel harsh towards Joey as she drove back from the school in tears. She had wanted this so much, only to be shattered... God, my heart strings were being pulled something fierce. Her reaction to hide the bad news from everyone was typical. I do think she tried to put back the "wall" between herself and everyone again by not wanting pity, but I don't think she's that person she was anymore. The shell has worn away, and we're seeing a scared, confused and trouble young girl trying to find her way - trying to go back just doesn't work.
Joey's reaction to Dawsons good news was a little unusual, but I do think the moment overwhelmed her, trying to be happy for someone else when she was so depressed. What perhaps endeared me to her was the way she was told Dawson the bad news about her college aspirations. As if she wanted him to make it all better like he had so many times in her life. Yet, she couldn't accept Dawsons offer of the money because of that lie…
Which leads to the confession to him later on in the episode. I have no doubt in my mind that it was sincere, and that her explanation of it was accurate. She had just gone through a major event in her life, she was confused, she had just re-established a connection with Dawson that had been dormant for a long time and she didn't want to ruin the moment. Perhaps Dawsons visual distress was an indication that her notions were founded, or perhaps it was more the lie that shook him, more on that later.
When Joey was talking to Pacey on the porch afterwards, it was blatantly obvious that Joey knew that Pacey knew Joey had lied to Dawson. What a tounge twister. The moment of truth came out and to tell you the truth, I was a little surprised at Pacey's reaction. More on that later. What resounded in my mind were Joey's words that she couldn't let him go... and those that are words which will haunt the couple for quite some time yet. I have no doubt in my mind that Joey never felt for a second that Pacey was holding her back. But those words... ooh, can't wait for the drama :)
Why did Joey accept the money from Dawson? Because I think that Joey realised it was now or never. That if she didn't take the money, her life was never going to turn out the way she had envisioned it, at least in her dreams. I do think Joey realised the significance and integrity behind Dawsons actions, and greatly appreciated it. What's wrong with helping someone you love out? Giving a dream to someone is the only thing that can exceed having your own dreams come true. When Pacey was talking to Joey earlier about how one month would turn into a year and a year into decades, I think that Joey realised it too. That's why she took the money.
The two-tier phone call situation, with the bad and good news contrasting each other, was a good idea, but alas the direction didn't hammer the nail home. I felt very sad for Dawson however, while I'm sure he hadn't pinned all his hopes and dreams on one college like Joey had, it still does bite being rejected, no matter what.
His genuine enthusiasm for Joey and wanting her to be happy shows once again, the tremendous heart that he has. What confused me was that he didn't want to discuss his let down with his parents, but I attribute that to not wanting them to worry considering they have their own problems.
I'm delighted that Gretchen is in his life, and they share an honesty and openness that has never been rivalled by any couple on this show, ever. This is the stuff of romance. Dawson's frank admission to Gretchen that he was a little let down was sweet and honest.
When Dawson was accepted into USC, the relief and happiness on his face was evident. Unlike Joey, he seemed genuinely happy for both himself and Joey. I did notice the lack of hugging between him and Pacey though. Hmmm…
Even more so, was his willingness to give Joey a lot of the money Mr. Brooks left him. Now on that note, I must say that it feels odd that not much was made about the huge amounts of money Dawson had been given. I mean, over $20,000?? My God... we've only had a passing reference to it until now! That's a huge amount of money, especially for an 18yr old kid and I'm surprised that Dawsons parents had given him free reign with it. Then again, they do trust Dawson a great deal, and they know what kind of integrity he has. He won't be gambling it away.
Anyway, his offer to Joey, wanting to fix something in her life was amazingly heartfelt. But I didn't understand his comment that "now he has a chance to fix it". God knows how many times in his life he has been there for Joey, fixing so many of her problems. As confused and messed up as Joey is, I have no doubt she'd have been worse off had it not been for Dawsons unending love and support for her.
What brought a smile to my face was Dawsons reaction to Joey's hesitation in not accepting the cash. She had previously accepted over a thousand dollars from him for winning that film contest without much hesitation, so he must have known something was up with her, especially if she was refusing something which could help her realise her dream.
His reaction to the fact Joey had slept with Pacey was fascinating. I do think deep down inside he had known all along that Joey had lied to him about it, but didn't want to admit it. That somehow, Joey had once again managed to lie to his face about something very important to both of them. Which is why I believe his frustrated, and perhaps even angry reaction was more to do with the fact that Joey had lied to him, not giving him a chance to accept it, deciding for herself that he wasn't ready. Dawsons comment about him no longer being the most important person in Joey's life was surprising for me, as I'm sure it was for both Joey and Dawson... Joey indidentally might be coming to realise the fact herself by not putting others above her boyfriend. Let's hope so.
Earlier, when he had gone to talk with Pacey about wanting to get Joey into Worthington by getting her to accept his money, I did not feel for a second that he was condescending or patronistic towards Pacey. I thought that Dawson understood Pacey, like he has all his life, and wanted Pacey to come to a conclusion Pacey would have anyway, but quicker. That Joey needed to goto Worthington.
I had no doubt that Dawson would still offer Joey the money, Dawson is never the kind of person who'd be so vindictive. His compassion continues to astound me, and his willingness to continue to pave the way to soften Joey's mistakes astounds me. Not many would be that nice. Then again, not many are Dawson :) His comment about not knowing how he feels about Joey sleeping with Pacey was very true, I'm sure he's still reeling. Perhaps the reprecussions will cascade onto his relationship with Gretchen. No doubt, this is Dawsons Creek afterall.
I have a feeling that Pacey trying to define his future will be a key issue in the next few episodes, as the promos indicate. From this episode, I was no motivation to attend college, and even his aspiration to go wherever Joey goes to have dissipated. Really, we've been waiting all season to see this man finally defining himself. I can't wait to see what happens.
I thought that his reaction to Joey's admittance was sincere. He was genuinely happy for Joey... but whether he was happy for himself, that is another question. His line about having his dream come true since he looks at Joey was indeed very sweet, but perhaps goes to the core of the problem, about how much self-worth Pacey puts on his relationships.
I could completely understand why he would feel a little happy about Joey not getting the money grant, it is only human to want Joey to stay with him since he loves her so much. But he is too good of a person to allow that to happen, to ruin someone elses dream for selfish motives, and that is why he understood clearly what Dawson was trying to say to him about doing whats best for Joey.
When Pacey asked Joey to cut him loose if she ever felt he was holding her back, I felt a little pang. Poor Pacey... after all this time, he still can't believe that she is with him, that he's done so much for her. His reaction to the confession about Joey's lie was trepid at the most and I must admit that I am a little dissapointed such a big issue, carried on for a couple of episodes now, dissipated so quickly. I'd think that the lie will surface again, it ended too cleanly to ever be plausible on Dawsons Creek.
Jen... ahhhh, I'm delighted beyond belief at how much screen time has been afforded to her these last few episodes. It's been a long time coming, but she's finally getting a storyline worthy of her potential. So many of her issues had been clouded over for so long, what she is doing is exactly what Joey should be doing, going to therapy, trying to discover why she reacts the way she does. Why she's so scared all the time.
I must admit that I adore Jen's therapist. The two have a genuine rapport, and he seems to know what he's doing. Also, Drue seemed human, the first in quite a long time. His initial lashing out to Jen's question was harsh but, in the end, as he expressed his hurt, I came to realise what huge potential his character has for drama, potential that will be wasted because of the principal three cast members.
The reason why Jen didn't want to go back to New York was very accurate... just being in the vicinity of such hurt can cause all sorts of feeling to boil up within you. I know whenever I visit my old High School, I get a taste of bitterness in my mouth. I'm glad that Jack was so supportive of her, even in her dire straights. Like with Pacey and Joey, I'm a little confused at the dependecy both Jen and Jack have in needing each other to start a new life in college, but like with Pacey and Joey, I understand that they love each other and want to be near. I can't wait to see what happens next.
All these storylines converge from many different angles... Dawson and the way he feels about Joey, likewise for Joey... Pacey's future, Jen's past... all leading me to believe the writers do know that they are doing. While certain parts are executed rather flabbily, overall, I get a feeling of continuity now, and I haven't had that in a long time An 8 out of 10.
Hans says: It would seem that everyone's guess and desire for Dawson and Joey to get back together will ultimately come true. Personally, I've become accustomed to Joey and Pacey together, as well as Dawson and Gretchen. The two couples seem to have a really good dynamic and seem to be growing emotionally to a deeper level. I'm sad to see that this will end. I thought Gretchen brought a new dimension to the group - breaking from the Beverly Hills 90210 tradition of everyone dating one another on the show. Oh well, I guess we can't do anything except to watch and enjoy the stories that unfold. Personally, I'd like to see Dawson stay with Gretchen. The two of them have overcome much with one another. It would be good to see the two of them enjoy some happiness together. --
PJ jumps in to refer to his answer in the above thread.
Starburst agrees: Yes, the system is screwed up. I remember my brother got everything paid
for...books, even food and gas money. Me...I'm stuck paying almost everything. And I make less than he did. I got screwed over. *sigh* I really dislike the system.
SLYN jumps in: Hey all...it has been SOO long since we have had a new episode...I am glad DC
is back. However, I was not all that pleased with "Admissions". It felt like it was all lead in and build up for future episodes. After waiting for weeks for a new ep, I wished TPTB had given us something more exciting.
This episode did provide major foreshadowing of things to come...I just hope the episodes will be worth the wait...like the last 6 episodes of Season 3. Does anyone else see where this whole Jen and her father thing is headed? I think this is rather well explored territory on numerous other shows. I wonder how DC will handle it?
> was rather surprised to see the old credits back though, it seemed kind of silly to put new ones in and take them out two episodes later.
I agree. What was up with that? Are they trying to tell us that Andie is coming back and Dawson and Joey are getting back together?
>I think Joey is human and for a teenager, has coped tremendously well with >the pain she has suffered in her life.
Joey has has it rough, and no one wants to see her make it out of Capeside more than me. She is like the tragic hero of the show.
>A loving, supportive boyfriend whom she loves very much, and loves
>her back. A fantastic best friend in Dawson, who has been there for her >through the hurt and the rain, for so long.
I think this episode really made it clear that Dawson and Joey are best friends. I saw a glimmer of that old chemistry from the first season. I have always thought that those two were best as friends. Everything got worse when Dawson and Joey tried to date.
I hope TPTB realize that the true drama lies in letting Pacey and Joey have the chance to try to make a relationship work after high school (especially when only one is going to college). And that Dawson is best when he has the chance to get out there and experience new things in the world...Joey is his safety net...God knows that Dawson has played it safe too long.
>Mind you, $US60,000 is a lot of money to payback! Which is why I'm really glad about >Australia's University education system,
I think I went to college in the wrong country.
>I'm delighted that Gretchen is in his life, and they share an honesty and openness that >has never been rivalled by any couple on this show, ever.
I agree...they need more air time as a couple. Dawson has no real clue about being in a relationship. I would like to see him learn with Gretchen. Jack and Jen have the best relationship on the show tho, hands down.
> Then again, >they do trust Dawson a great deal, and they know what kind of integrity >he has. He won't be gambling it away.
I think Dawson needs to go a little crazy. Like I said earlier, he is in desparate need of some good old fashioned teenage boy fun. He is so stodgy and serious...Hopefully, he will get his chance in college.
>But I didn't understand his comment that "now he has a >chance to fix it". God knows >how many times in his life he has been there >for Joey, fixing so many of her problems
I think he was referring to major problems like her mother's cancer, her family's lack of money, and her dad's incarceration.
>His reaction to the fact Joey had slept with Pacey was fascinating. I do think deep >down inside he had known all along that Joey had lied to him about it, but didn't want to admit it.
Did you notice the picture of Joey and Pacey on Dawson's wall? I think Dawson has for the most part come to terms with Pacey and Joey as a couple. HIs comment about there not being any pictures of himself and Joey on the wall and that he would have to fix that was a declaration of friendship. It was a statement that he wanted their old friendship back and that the walls of uneasiness between the two of them were being torn down. I hope TPTB don't use this as an excuse to put them back together romantically. Because all the writing this season has been about the reuniting of friends..not old lovers.
>When Pacey asked Joey to cut him loose if she ever felt he was holding her back, I >felt a little pang. Poor Pacey... after all this time, he still can't believe that she is with >him, that he's done so much for her.
That was the sweetest part of the episode. It is going to be like Romeo and Juliet if they break those two up. The complexity of Pacey's character, and the excellent portrayal by Josh Jackson, has made me wonder many times why the show is not called PACEY'S CREEK.
>While certain parts are executed rather flabbily, overall, I get a feeling of continuity >now, and I haven't had that in a long time
All I can say is...Let the drama begin!
Mal responds:
Hi Hans,
> It would seem that everyone's guess and desire for Dawson and Joey to get > back >together will ultimately come true.
Don't be so sure... from my point of view, as someone who does want D/J to get back together, I find the concept to be very distant. In fact, I'd say the ship has sailed metaphorically speaking. I don't know... I just get the feeling that the writers are playing with my heartstrings, and they've never had any intention of reuniting D/J.
> Oh well, I guess we can't do anything except to watch and enjoy the stories > that >unfold.
Which is what I've done for quite a whole lol... with a nice shot of Whiskey ;-)
Personally, I'd like to see Dawson stay with Gretchen. The > two of them have overcome much with one another. It would be good to see the two of them enjoy some happiness together.
Gretchen is absolutely fantastic for Dawson, and has been a far better girlfriend than Joey has been to him, or Joey has been to Pacey.
I've come to pretty much accept that P/J are the couple of the Creek now. While the producers still pander to both sides of the fanbase (and thus breaking my heart), the chances of a D/J reunion are slim. Then again, I'll always have a small part of my heart reserved just for them.
Mal responds to PJ:
>Did you notice the picture of Joey and Pacey on Dawson's wall?
I did! I forgot to mention that. I thought that was plain silly actually... as accepting of P/J as Dawson is, I find it hard to believe that he'd become a fan of them, especially after the hurt that happened. I know, he's over it now, but to me it seemed... too surreal.
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Old website still up: http://dawsonscreek.tktv.net/
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Other posts commented on how it’s legal in other countries to buy alcohol under 21 starting at 18, 16 in some countries. Relatively short discussion.
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A comment about “who is Mal P” because someone was curious how he has achieved fame on these boards. Most said because he writes awesome reviews, but again, a very short convo.
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There was a long fan theory from Digerati01 about how they could keep the show going past this season, but it turns it into a kind of thing where Dawson would move onto the cast of a show like Buffy or Charmed since it’s filming and that’s where he wants to be, whereas Joey could guest star on Gilmore Girls in Boston, and Jen and Jack could guest star on Felicity in New York. Pacey having no real future could be in any of those places.
karlash says: Great one! It could be cool...
Jakijaja says: Joey could become an intern at Fish/Cage and befriend Ally McBeal.
Pacey's brother could get his own sitcom.
Gary L. Dare says: How about skipping three years and everyone converges upon Paris for Junior Year Abroad. Pacey is there as a Marine guard at the US Embassy. Gretchen is a grad
student at U de Paris. Like "Chocolat", in alternate- France everybody speaks English. (-;
PJ responds: actually you could be on to something. Pacey isn't a brainiac but I bet
he's smart enough to join the military.
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