Monday, September 27, 2021

RW442 - Dawson's Creek S04E03-04 - Two Tense

 


In this weeks episode of The Dawson's Creek Rewatch, Cory and Tom sail the drunken tide as they discuss of season 4 episodes 3 & 4, "The Two Gentlemen of Capeside" and "Future Tense."

The Two Gentlemen of Capeside:

Written by: Jeffrey Stepakoff

Directed by: Sandy Smolan

Original airdate: October 18, 2000


Synopsis: 

As Drue teases Joey in their English class, the teacher admonishes her and prompts her to give her thoughts on a Shakespeare play in which two friends are torn apart by a girl. As she explains her interpretation, Dawson disagrees, followed by Drue making a snarky comment, all of which lead the teacher to assign each of them an assignment to prepare a debate on the subject for the next day. 


Elsewhere, Grams gives Jen a hard time about skipping school and the sad music she’s been listening to in the wake of Henry’s breakup, but Jen reassures her that she is beyond sad and now just pissed. Before she leaves for the day, Grams gives her an umbrella, warning her that the farmer’s almanac predicts a storm coming. 


Later, Pacey shows off the first results of his work with Joey, an A on his assignment, leading him to asking her to celebrate with him on a sailing trip that afternoon. Unfortunately she has to tell him about her new assignment and that it will also involve Dawson. While Pacey is a bit disappointed, he keeps his spirits high as Jen volunteers to go with him instead.


At the yacht club, Joey, Drue, and Dawson try working on their assignment, but Drue keeps getting interrupted by phone calls from someone he calls gorgeous, while Joey has to stop to take care of their only patron for the evening, Mr. Brooks. Elsewhere at the club, Andie is being interviewed by Ms. Valentine, who is one of the alums of a college she is looking into. Everything seems to be fine until Ms. Valentine asks about her medical leave of absence and begins to repeatedly question whether Andie is up to handle the stress of a competitive college.


As Pacey and Jen sail away having a great time, things suddenly turn as it seems the waters are getting rougher, and a storm approaches, despite the earlier weather reports saying things were supposed to be clear. Back at the Yacht Club, Joey gets increasingly nervous about the weather, and as Andie comes out of the interview, a tree breaks the window as the storm arrives in full swing. A worker named Bruce comes in saying that he’s got several boats coming in due to the storm, but when questioned if True Love is one of the boats, he knows nothing about it.


Back at sea, Pacey and Jen try desperately to keep the boat from going down, despite their shorted out radio. Reasoning that it’s too dangerous to go back to Capeside given they can’t see where they’re going, Pacey makes the decision to find a different cove to take shelter in, one that he remembered from years ago when he and Dawson took shelter in it during another storm. Meanwhile back at the club, Dawson has figured out where Pacey is going, remembering the cove, and decides to borrow a boat to try and find Pacey and Jen, with Joey insisting she go along. Drue tosses him some keys, telling them not to let the old coot find out, but then later reveals to Mr. Brooks that they took his boat.


Fearing their own end is near, Jen confesses that she regrets that she will never know what it’s like to fall in love, reasoning that what she had with Henry wasn’t love, while Pacey reveals that he regrets the way things ended with Dawson. 


Back at the club, Andie takes charge of the situation and begins getting people to take care of broken windows, broken glass, and Mr. Brooks’ boat, managing to contact Dawson and Joey on the radio to find their whereabouts, all while Ms. Valentine stands around at a loss for what to do.


Dawson and Joey find True Love and manage to get Jen aboard. Pacey at first refuses to go on board and leave his boat behind, but Dawson jumps over and convinces him to go, telling him people care about him more than he cares about the boat. Pacey sees Joey and with Dawson jumps to safety, letting True Love drift away.


Parents, Grams, and Mr. Brooks are waiting, anxious for everyone’s return, and when Mr. Brooks tries to lay into Dawson for scratching his boat, Grams steps in and gives him a tongue-lashing the old coot won’t soon forget. Mitch comments on how it isn’t fair that he saved the day but still lost the girl, commenting that instead he learned that no matter where life takes him, he can look back on this moment and know that he did a great thing, the right thing, and that’s something no girl or thank you could ever replace.


Jen and Grams reconnect and Grams confesses she was so scared she was going to lose Jen, and got so angry at Mr. Brooks, having lost her faith momentarily. Jen offers her some angry music to listen to later, while confessing that SHE actually had hope that things would work out, something she attributes to Grams, but still passes on the standing invitation to attend church this Sunday.


Ms. Valentine commends Andie on handling things so well during the crisis, but Jack jumps in and dresses down the snobby boss for failing to do her own job. Andie also retorts that the university will be very interested in hearing about what a bitch they have representing them. Ms. Valentine is surprised and worried, but Andie says she wouldn’t actually do that because she doesn’t get pleasure in lording what little power she has over others as Ms. Valentine seems to. Andie tells her to give her the recommendation she sees fit, because she doubts that it will hold much water anyway, given Ms. Valentine’s reputation.


Elsewhere, Jen runs into Drue when she goes back inside to grab Grams’ keys and is shocked to see him. Drue drops some cutting remarks about Jen’s history in New York as Jen leaves.


Joey tells Pacey she’s pissed at him that he almost didn’t leave the boat, and reminds him that things are different now, and it’s not just about him anymore, that he is thinking for the two of them now. The next day, Pacey goes to Dawson and gives him a heartfelt apology, understanding that it will take possibly a long time, but he hopes that someday they can be friends again, to which Dawson replies, until then, and the two walk off in separate directions. 

Dawson's Trivia:

Harve Presnell plays Mr. Brooks. We saw Harve in Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman where he was the second actor in the show to play Lois Lane’s father, Sam Lane. He’s known for his roles in Fargo and The Unsinkable Molly Brown (fictionalized biopic of Margaret "Molly" Brown, who survived the 1912 sinking of the RMS Titanic). He was one of the main cast in Andy Barker P.I. starring Andy Richter, and was a main cast member in The Pretender (A specially gifted man, with the ability to instantly master any skill, escapes from a secret testing facility and travels the country taking on different jobs and helping strangers while hiding from his kidnappers). He was a voice in The Lionhearts, a 13 episode series about the life of Leo, the MGM Lion mascot, a supporting character in Patch Adams, The Legend of Bagger Vance, Mr. Deeds, Saving Private Ryan, and a host of other shows and movies. He had a guest appearance in Two Guys, A Girl, and A Pizza Place, which is of note simply because that show was mentioned by the English Teacher in a roundabout way.

The English teacher was Mr. Kasdan, portrayed by David Downs. Just two handfuls of credits, he is a recurring character on Dawson’s this season, as well as a recurring character on Everwood as the principal. 


The Harbor Master, Bruce, was played by Stephen G. Tyler, and the Weatherman was played by Chris Marshall. This episode was their only acting credit.

Future Tense:

Written by: Gina Fattore

Directed by: Michael Lange

Original airdate: October 25, 2000


Synopsis: 

Pacey comes to the realization that Joey has already started the process to begin applying to colleges, something that isn’t even on his radar at the moment, given his current state of academic affairs. The gang meets with the college advisor with some of them prepared like Joey and Andie, others like Jack and Pacey not quite ready to even begin, and others like Dawson still trying to decide what exactly he will focus on for college. 


Drue finds Jen and and talks about old times, old nicknames, and old drug habits as Jen rebuffs his attempts at starting up a friendship again. Gretchen applies for and manages to get hired at Leery's Fresh Fish as a bartender, despite Gail being worried that she won’t stick around after the college break she is on. At football practice, Jack injures himself, taking himself off the team and losing something that made him feel accepted. 


Joey talks with Bessie about her college plans and reveals that she Only fourth in her class which has derailed some of her thoughts about which college she would apply for, seeing as how some colleges look for “concert violinists, Westinghouse science prize winners, or legacy students.” When Joey talks with Pacey later about being fourth, despite him saying that THAT is a reason to stop studying, she feels her goals are unrealistic, and that certain people get into schools because of who their parents are. With Pacey starting to zone out, Joey decides that they will both go relax by attending Jen’s impromptu un-birthday party being thrown for her by Drue.


Gale talks with Dawson about his college choices, all of which seem to be thousands of miles away near California, leaving him to explain that it's natural since he is, or was, a movie obsessed person. Gail says they will support him in whatever choice he makes, but to be sure he’s choosing the right school for the right reasons and not just because he’s trying to run far away from his problems with Joey and Pacey.


Jen finds Drue at the party and accuses him of hosting it in a stranger’s house in her honor so that if the police showed up, all people would remember was that it was a party for her, allowing himself to not be caught. 


Elsewhere at the party, Joey begins to drink, despite Pacey trying to warn her against it due to her not holding her alcohol well, and despite Dawson talking with her and asking her why she’s drinking so much, eventually she gets a bit too drunk and hangs out with Jen out on the dock, where Andie quickly joins them as well. Pacey gets into a game of poker with Drue and his pals, which eventually turns into strip poker when some of the girls run out of money to play. Joey, Jen, and Andie bond while theorizing about their futures, but Joey is much less happy when she sees the poker game Pacey is in. She quickly decides to enter the game herself, but Pacey confronts her and before they can get into a major fight, he picks her up and carries her off, caveman style while Dawson looks on from afar. 


After talking with Joey and realizing that Drue is currently living in a small apartment with his mother, Jen finds him and thanks him for the party, after which he gives Jen his birthday present, a box containing ecstasy. She refuses the gift but he is insistent and leaves it with her as he walks away.


Pacey gets Joey home and she begins talking about maybe staying in cape side instead of going away to college, but he dismisses the idea saying that if she wants to stay to be with him, she doesn’t have to worry because he plans to go wherever she plans to go. 


Back at the restaurant, Dawson bumps into Gretchen and the two play a drinking game with him, sans the actual drinks, in order to get him to reveal his troubles. He reveals, aside from his college woes and his parents’ questions about his plans, that he saw Pacey and Joey and realized how much she actually does love him. Gretchen makes an allusion to The Wizard of Oz getting Dawson to see that despite the problems Oz has, compared to Dorothy’s home, it’s a great place and along the way in the adventure there you can make great friends and that who you wanted to actually become, you already are. Dawson tries to ask Gretchen about why she is back in Capeside, but since he has no quarters for the game, he can’t play, to which he says that’s not fair, to which she replies, too bad.

Dawson's Trivia:

Michael Lange is a working director. He got his start on the 1981 series Fall Guy, starring Lee Majors as a Hollywood stunt guy. Among others, he’s also worked on Freddy’s Nightmares, Dynasty, American Gothic, The X-Files, The Pretender, Roswell, Psych, Eureka, and Criminal Minds. He directed a few low budget TV movies as well. He has a couple of acting credits in show episodes he directed, including playing a gravedigger in Hercules: The Legendary Journeys. We’ve seen him before, he directed the Lois & Clark episodes “Swear to God, This Time We’re Not Kidding,” and “Never on Sunday.”


Ms. Watson was played by Avery Clyde (Heather Avery Clyde in some credits). She got her start in an episode of The Mystery Files of Shelby Woo, before showing up on Dawson’s Creek. Since then, she’s had one to two roles per year approximately, all secondary cast stuff, but continuing on up through today (includes Shameless, Bosch, SWAT, Criminal Minds). She did play the lead in something called Nosferajew (a mockumentary about Maury Feinstein, a Jewish vampire (think Woody Allen with fangs) un-deading among the living in a suburban surreality, and his daily interactions with friends and family). She also was one of the leads in Killer Vacation (Successful businessman Jake takes his pregnant girlfriend Lindsey on a babymoon trip to an upscale desert resort. When they get there, Lindsey discovers that Jake's meddlesome, soon to be ex-wife, Gwen is there too. In a dream vacation gone wrong, it becomes apparent that someone is determined that Lindsey will never use her return ticket). She was a lead in Bosco (two friends who did something bad are on the run and end up in a strange forest), Making A Milk Spiller (no synopsis), and Your Name Here (musical about two boys that start a garage band). Her current project is called Monsters of California where she plays Kelly’s Mom (show about paranormal events in California). Watch the Pilot episode here.


Random Student #2 was Josh Mandrell. He was in 128 episodes of 2002’s Ocean Avenue as a supporting cast member (A cop working on the case of a serial killer targeting prostitutes must deal with his own secrets being exposed). He was in a short called Lovely Lane (Ryan gets an unexpected surprise, forcing a new perspective on life), and for some reason was in the Biography episode that covered Megan Fox.


For most of the episode, Jack has his left arm in a sling. However, when he is talking with Andie at the party, his right arm is suddenly the one in the sling.

Essential Playlist:


Classic Creek Critiques:

People are convinced Andie is going to die soon like David Quinn says: I heard that Andie might be leaving the series -- is this true?! Please someone tell me it's not, Meredith Monroe is so cool and the Andie and Jack characters make the show.


Mal P confirms it: It is true, she is leaving... in fact, she has already left. Meredith finished shooting episode #407 last week, and left with her husband to another job... had the garage sale, the whole works. I'll miss her too, she was a great, talented member of the cast, and her departure I feel is a stab to the show.


JazzMag123 says: I heard that Andie will get killed this season. On the radio it said that someone will die and people have been talking that Andie's character is leaving the show.


mob leader thought so: I was thinking, it might have been a neat idea for Andie's character to be killed, but perhaps her soul can linger and haunt the estuaries at night.


David Quinn spots her down under: Actually it's funny, yesterday on the news I was watching the sport they had a segment on the Indy Car that was going on in Queensland and guess which celebrity they spotted and interviewed -- none other than Meredith Monroe! Looks like she's taken a holiday Downunder before she goes on to her next job.


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Mal P says:  thoroughly enjoyed this episode, and I thought it matched the season premiere for quality and enjoyment. 


"Two Gentlemen of Capeside", aka "The Storm '' was never about the hurricane, or boats or such tacked on storylines. What this episode concentrated so perfectly on, was the underlying theme of Dawson's Creek, friendship. It showed how Dawson and Pacey, no matter how much anger they have, no matter how many harsh words they've exchanged, will always, always, be there for each other. That's what friendship is, something greater than just petty squabbles, it's a unique bond that defines, as the WB promo so eloquently stated, our character.


The parallel between this episode and Shakespeares "Two Gentlemen of Verona"  is quite significant, as the Victorian text showed so perfectly to its  audience, that the same situation, can be interpreted many different ways. Joey believed it was her that had come between Dawson and Pacey. Dawson believed it was Pacey who came between himself and Joey. What I disliked was  the way Joey disparaged Dawson, by referencing him as a "cardboard cut-out hero" and defended Paceys actions, basically, spitting in Dawsons face. Not nice Joey.


Dru, what a goof. Thoroughly enjoyed him, and the role is perfectly cast. He'll bring havoc to our little group of friends, that's for sure. The  syphillis remark Joey made on the mobile phone was a classic, and nothing delights me more to see the fiery spark return to her, as in line with season 1.


I must say, as the rescue occured, and Pacey foolishly (but understandably)

wished to save the boat he had worked on for so long, that was a symbol of his love for Joey, my heart was beating. It was a cheap, manipulative way of invoking emotion in the audience, but it worked. The look on Joey's face when she thought Pacey was going to remain on True Love, was incredible. Full credit to Katie Holmes for her acting, it is without par. That look of course, convinced Pacey that it was just a boat, and jumped with Dawson onto the safer motorboat.


What can I say about Dawson? What a man. He can dissipate his anger, his  loathing, to help out what is still his best friend. That is character, and  that is integrity. This is what I love so much about him... he never stops caring. He cares about Paceys grades. He cares about Joey's safety. He  simply cares.


I will indeed miss Andie greatly once she leaves... her character has  developed significantly over the last few years, and her fire and passion in  the scenes with Dru's mother are fantastic. My heart went out to her, not  only because she refused to lie about her mental problems, but how much she must have been hurt.


I thought Mitch's words to Dawson were touching, and heartfelt. Sure, Dawson  didn't get the girl, but he will remember saving two lives for the rest of his life. Something to be proud of. Mitch is a great father. Someone  mentioned that Joey ignored Dawson completely, and didn't even say thank you. I find that unlikely... as you can see, Pacey did not say thank you  right there, instead the next day, he went to Dawson directly. And I'd say Joey must have said words to him that way.


Following on, that scene between Dawson and Pacey at the end, was very  bittersweet. The two were almost crying, and it's clear both missed each  other greatly. I admire Pacey for having the guts to own upto Dawson, and apologize for stabbing his best friend in the back. It goes a long way to rekindling a special friendship.


Having said that, even if they become friends again, I don't believe that Pacey and Dawson will ever be as close as they once were. The trust has been  broken, and that's something next to impossible to repair.


SorrowRuffian agrees: The rainstorm itself was insignificant to the story. The real storm was the relationship turmoil. I do have to give James Van Der Beek a few points for acting. When Joey tells him the True Love is out there, Dawson almost looks like he's thinking "Good." ... And when Joey says that Jen is out there too, the attitude changes -- it clicks in his brain that Joey's not just worried about her boyfriend, but her FRIENDS, and Dawson realizes that. I just wish Pacey would stop feeling like he stabbed Dawson in the back. It's not like he seduced Joey away while she was in a relationship with Dawson. Pacey and Joey's relationship grew out of friendship when Dawson was barely in the picture.


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MTP (from Oz): G'day everyone, Just wanted to know your opinions of Gretchen? I think she is a great character that could really add to the show if they kept her on for quite a bit and I think a relationship between her and Dawsons would be the way to go to spice things up a bit! Look forward to all your opinions.


Coy A Hile agrees: agreed; she is a great character, and if she and dawson got together, that

would make a great new dynamic; especially with her being his first crush and all. and if all else fails, she's hot! that's always a good thing.


^astro^ says: I like the interaction between her and Pacey so far. I'm not sure what to

think about her and Dawson hooking up though… She has the same carefree witty attitude as Pacey which is what I like :o)


Vinny thinking with his… other brain: Heh, I really like her. She brings something different into the mix (why not since they deviated from the fab four in season two). If your going to add

regulars, why not add them all the time. Plus, she IS pretty hot.


sara says she’s too old: I think she is 37. Could they have at least cast someone who might

plausibly look like she's in college. She looks older than Doug. She looks the same age as Dawson's mother. Even if the actress is really in her 20s, she looks older. Dawson's casting agents have bad eyesight.


Digerati01 says: I totally agree, well not totally, I'd peg her at maybe 24 or 25, not 37 :-) Still, she looks way too old to play her part. If I remember from the season opener, she is like 3? years older than Dawson, that should make her...20?or so. Though the actress is hot, she looks like she should be old High school buddies with Joey's older sister, not hanging with Dawson and the crew. Still, I would love to see Dawson get together with her. She is sorta like a far more healthy Eve (though nowhere near as hot!). She is carefree and adventureous and could help Dawson further break out of his shell, but without putting him in constant turmoil like eve did.

Also, I'd love to see how Pacey and Joey would react to that.


Sierra897 agrees: I agree with you and I don't have anything against the actress that plays

Gretchen personally, but she looks too *mature* for the part. It seems like she should be preparing PB&J sandwiches for her little ones instead of wisecracking with Pacey. And I totally can't see her in a romantic relationship with Dawson. Very bad casting choice on the DC agents' part, in my opinion.


Jessica Turgeon likes the possibilities: I like her a lot. Joey is too pessimistic for Dawson and Eve was too skanky. Gretchen would be a nice one to get with Dawson and bring him out a little... he's much too introverted.


Mal P wonders: I am wondering why they can't introduce a normal girl for Dawson. Not a

voluptuous blonde, or someone older, just a nice, sweet, same aged girl, who will appreciate him for who he is, a kind, caring person. Not a Joey, who continues to break his heart.


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Sam Rappos asks: I dont know if anyone has noticed, but whenever Pacey has told Joey that

he loves her, she has never repeated the sentiment by telling him that she's loves him also. Could this be some foreshadowing? Does this mean that Joey doesnt really love Pacey?


abs responds: perhaps..i dont know....it could be...but keep in mind...season 3's finale she at the end said she was in love with him....and i dont believe he ever actually said word for word how he felt about her (i.e. "im in love with you") ..so maybe the writers are just providing pacey with his turn to say "i love you" ...or perhaps you're right, and it's just some foreshadowing...i hope not though


Mal P replies: Heya Sam, Of course Joey loves Pacey. You don't risk a life time friendship with someone like Dawson, for a mere crush. You don't run away with someone for three months, for a mere crush. You aren't willing to work through problems, obstacles and heartache for a mere crush. You can see it in her face, the way she smiles, the way she's happy with life (finally!) and with the way she talks to him.


Lilika Ampatzi agrees: She did say that she's in love with him in "True Love".


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Matthew on alcohol and next week: Wow, what a great show. I think this was the best written episode yet this season. Very emotional charged and well acted. I did have a problem with 1

thing though. The way they talked about drinking. It seemed to me like they wanted to put alcohol in DC again but didn't want to make it look acceptable at all. So they had to like preach to us (the viewers) of how it was not the right choice and gave Joey a hard time about it. Getting drunk once in a while at a party is a normal thing for teens. Ah well, just my 2 cents. Other than that I thought the episode was great. Oh, and about that preview for next week..... I really can't believe that she's thinking about giving it up to Pacey. I always thought her and Dawson would be together for their first time. But lately I've been kinda liking Pacey and Joey together. They make a great couple. And I think Gretchen would be better for Dawson than anyone else. I sure up their relationship heats up soon. I can't wait to see what happens next week!!!


HDS replies: Hey Matt, I love Joey & Pacey together, I get excited everything I see them. I think

you are right about Dawson and that other girl. I also think Dawson needs to do something with his hair ASAP.


Makara has ideas: I was rather disappointed in this weeks show… I wanted a Dawson/Gretchen kiss at the end… I found it strange that Joey got drunk so willingly… Last I heard she was the "poster child" against alcohol… Like the last party she attended where she followed Dawson around whining the entire time. I think it is about time that they bring some sex into the show...

For 17 year olds they are pretty lame… I think Jen and Drew should get together....it would be interesting.


Sweetie143823 on the preachiness, the bonding scene, and Dawson’s hair: It's funny that you say that. I did notice the preachiness of the episode, but I also noticed something else that the writers probably overlooked (along with Jack's broken arm changing back and forth). When Joey and Pacey arrived at the party, Pacey had a drink. A little while later, there he was driving Joey

home. If they're going to preach, they should not have a character drink and drive, even if he only had one drink.


Hellz yeah! I could not stop marveling at how NORMAL Joey and Jen and Andie seemed in their "bonding" seen. They were acting silly and goofy and were using a very simple vocabulary. They were just letting loose and having fun. I could not stop saying that this was the first time I have ever seen them, ESPECIALLY Joey, act like "normal teenagers." It was refreshing and fun.


LOL! I have been holding my breath waiting for everyone else to realize how terrible he looks! Besides that, he looks OLD!!!


Jazzlan —er Jazz disagrees about getting drunk: As a "normal teenager" I really have to disagree with this… I don't have to get drunk at parties to have fun. I've never drank and I

never intend to, it all seems very pointless. Tell me, what makes drinking "fun"? Do you enjoy being tramsformed into a blabbering idiot? Losing control over bodily functions? It's as pointless as smoking -- woo hoo! Let's have "fun" puffing on a little roll of tobacco! We're so cool now! *sarcasm*


Sweetie143823 disagrees: I don't have to get drunk to have fun either. I don't have to go dancing, or watch a movie, or go to a sports game to have fun. But these are all things I ENJOY doing, and what most of the world enjoys doing as well. And so while there is  ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong with you or how you feel about drinking, you are certainly not the NORM if you're looking at it from a statistical point of view. I never drink to the point of becoming a "blabbering idiot." I enjoy a view drinks and it loosens me up and I dance and laugh and have a good time. What I consider an idiot is someone who judges others and thinks they are better than others and talks down about something just because they don't enjoy doing it. Oh, wait...I'm describing YOU.


Matthew fights back: Your just as bad as those damn kids on DC. Your NOT normal, your a

straight-edger. And obviously you think only YOUR ideas are the only acceptable ones. I never get so drunk that I'm a blabbering idiot or lose control over bodily functions. It's just something fun I like to do with my friends once in a while (socially) and it lets you let loose a little bit and believe me you sound like you need to loosen up. Just because you don't like to do that why do you feel it's necessary to PREACH to other people you don't know about. This is exactly what I was talking about in my original post. Your doing exactly what the writers were doing on last weeks show.


foofighter supports Jazz: Yeah man I agree totally. I gave up drink forever. I'm better of without it. Just wasting your money on something your only going to sick up in the toilet at the end of the night anyway. I used to smoke too, til I realised that it stunk and that I was just wasting my life. Leave Jazz alone. It's just his opinion about drinking. I don't think he was trying to preach his beliefs onto you, he was just speaking his mind. I agree with him on drinking after past  experiences. Remember, different stroke for different fokes. Not everyone enjoys drinking, but some people love it. I don't think the writers where showing drinking as a bad thing, I think they where showing UNDERAGE drinking might not be so good afterall, as most of the people at the party weren't strictly old enough to legally drink. Don't you have to be 18 or 21 to legally drink in most states? I just think the writers where trying to put off potential underage drinking. I mean come on, their not going to promote underage drinking are they?

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Monday, September 20, 2021

RW441 - Dawson's Creek S04E01-02 - Coming Down

 

In this weeks episode of The Dawson's Creek Rewatch, Cory and Tom return to their old downward days as they discuss of season 4 episodes 1 & 2, "Coming Home" and "Failing Down."

Coming Home:

Written by: Greg Berlanti

Directed by: Greg Prange

Original airdate: October 4, 2000


Synopsis:

Pacey and Joey return from their down south sail, deciding to spend the night away from each other after having spent every night together the last three months, and also agree to say nothing about whether they “did it or didn’t do it” during their excursion, with Joey assuring him that no one is going to even ask about it.


The rest of the gang hangs out on the beach, with Andie getting to know two French students backpacking along the east coast, offering them a tour of Capeside. Jack and Dawson leave to get supplies for a painting job they arranged, where Dawson bumps into Pacey’s older sister Gretchen, recently returned to Capeside for a break from college. Dawson reveals to Jack that he once had an adolescent crush on her but nothing ever came of it.


While Bessie reveals to Joey that the BnB has become super successful, so much so that Joey needs to sleep on the couch for the moment, Pacey finds out that he doesn’t even have a couch to sleep on as Gretchen has moved in with Doug. 


Joey visits the Leery’s but no one is home, her ladder missing. As she enters Dawson’s room, she sees he has discovered a new passion: photography. She heads next door and chats with Jen, who like Bessie, and Deputy Doug, ask about whether or not she and Pacey did the deed, but Joey, like Pacey, avoids giving a straight answer. Jen invites Joey to go to the “Dive In” with the gang later that evening and Joey considers it.


Pacey visits Joey despite their plan to spend an evening apart and she invites him to go with her to the Dive In, however upon arrival there, Dawson is visibly upset and angry with Jen and moves to a different seat as Pacey decides to go and get them some drinks to try and help the uncomfortable situation.


Jen tries to convince Dawson to talk with Joey, while Jack handles Joey. Eventually Dawson gives in and he and Joey finally talk, however uncomfortable and surface level the conversation actually is. Dawson hides his sadness until he’s out of sight, while Joey also feels upset and walks off, looking for Pacey. When Pacey does show up, he gets pushy and says he’s taking them home, which Joey immediately gets offended by. The two argue about how Joey has been absent the entire last week, mentally, caught up in her thoughts about coming home and the confrontation with Dawson, leaving the two to go off in separate directions. Eventually, Dawson spots Joey standing around and thinking and offers her a ride home. 


Meanwhile, Andie finally asks whether the French boy who can speak English has a girlfriend to which he admits he does and is very much in love with her. As he moves off, Andie vents to the other student who hasn’t spoken at all the whole afternoon, but who suddenly speaks to her in English, revealing that his pretending to not understand her was just a joke. The two chat and eventually he asks to kiss her with Andie responding “Oui”.


Joey gives Dawson a gift she got for him, a brick from Ernest Hemingway’s home, offering it as a symbol of their new friendship but Dawson cuts her off, explaining that it is going to take a lot more than symbols for them to get back to the way they were and that he needs to take things day by day. He makes a comment about the question everyone wants to know, whether or not she and Pacey slept together, saying that knowing the answer would kill him, but Joey reassures him that the answer would actually NOT kill him, leaving him somewhat relieved.


Joey returns to Pacey’s boat and explains that she was absent recently not because Dawson was her boyfriend for a few months, but because he has been her friend her whole life, and that she hurt him terribly and has caused her a great amount of guilt. She also reveals that the whole time she was driving back to see Pacey, she stalled the stick shift vehicle so many times but each time she did, and every other time she gets angry or sad or confused, she thinks of Pacey and immediately feels better, reassuring him that her heart is with him and not leaving anytime soon. Together they curl up in their separate hammocks and read from a book together, taking turns, something they did during their vacation, and eventually fall asleep together.

Dawson's Trivia:

16:9 4K HD Upgrade On Netflix AND the original theme song is back! A new recording has been made. Was first rumored back in April of this year as a part of Paula Cole’s new album. https://variety.com/2021/music/news/paula-cole-dawsons-creek-song-restored-netflix-1235055893/


The HD upscale fixed an error that’s bugged me for years! It was so obvious that Katie Holmes had on a microphone pack in the opening scene of season 4-



Gretchen was played by Sasha Alexander. Before Dawson’s she was the lead in Wasteland (Six twentysomethings who went to college together find themselves in New York trying to find themselves. Eddie Mills, who played Ty, also stars in the show, along with Rebecca Gayheart, who we talked about back in the Sliders episode “Time Again and World”). She had smaller parts in Mission Impossible III and He’s Just Not That Into You, but had a lead role in NCIS for a couple of seasons, as well as a lead in Rizzoli & Isles (a detective and medical examiner team up to solve crimes in Boston. Also starring Angie Harmon and Bruce McGill of Quantum Leap fame). She also had a run of 11 episodes on Shameless (William H. Macy leads a scrappy feisty fiercely loyal Chicago family that makes no apologies). Most recently she has been playing the voice of Adeline Kane Wilson in the DC animated movies Deathstroke Knights & Dragons (which is listed TWICE, as a series of 12 episodes and a movie, however the series only has 1 episode and seems to mirror the movie listing closely).


Jean was played by Garikayi Mtambirwa. His first series was called Van-pires (A meteorite turns a team of young gearheads mentored by a former roadie for The Rolling Stones into car vampires. It also creates an evil car vanpire overlord who feeds on other cars. To save the world, they must stop his vanpire car pack). After that a series of one off roles, including Dawson’s Creek, before he ends up a supporting character in ClockStoppers with French Stewart (A teenager accidentally activates a machine that enables him to speed up his body so that other people seem to be standing still). He was in horror movies like Jeepers Creepers 2 and Bones, before becoming the lead in The Great L.A. Pretenders (deals with the narcissistic behavior of wannabe artists and how artificial they become when they try to be big in Hollywood and don't succeed). His latest project in post-production is called Sheets: A Japanese Ghost Story (Americans Tyler and Ryan are in Japan for a change of scenery to help Tyler get over his drama with women and make him stop pining over ghosts from girlfriends past but quickly find themselves stranded without money. When they are tricked by an entrepreneurial shady woman to help her renovate an old Japanese house for free room and board, they unwittingly break a binding spell and unleash a box of angry ancient Japanese cotton creatures that slowly start to hunt them down. Connected to the creatures is the ghost of a young Japanese girl, whom only Tyler can see, and while he falls in love with her, Ryan thinks she is one of the killer sheets).


Danny Roberts played Jean-Jean or JJ. Danny was a gay man who was part of The Real World: New Orleans. He only had one other three episode role in a short lived show called Waylon (The relationships and sex lives of eight friends with varied ethnic, cultural, and sexual orientations that work and live in the vibrant community of Downtown Los Angeles).


David Dukes died of a heart attack on October 9, 2000, in Spanaway, Washington, while on location shooting the Stephen King miniseries Rose Red.

Failing Down:

Written by: Tom Kapinos

Directed by: Sandy Smolan

Original airdate: October 11, 2000


Synopsis: 

As Joey and Pacey discuss his upcoming appointment with Capeside High’s guidance counselor, they end up kissing before class right in full view of Dawson, trying to get past them to enter the classroom.


Later, Andie talks with Joey about college, and Joey comments she needs to find a job so she can afford college, prompting Andie to suggest the Capeside Yacht Club. Pacey meanwhile finds that Mitch has taken over the guidance counselor spot and is concerned about his grades, pointing out that if he doesn’t do something drastic he may need to take summer school while all his friends graduate and move on to real life. 


Dawson and Gretchen bump into each other while she is out looking for a new place for her and Pacey to live, unable to stand Deputy Doug’s anal retentive ways. She sees some CDs that Dawson is getting rid of and questions him about getting rid of a Grateful Dead CD, something his parents gave him years ago but one that he never quite got into. 


Meanwhile Jen frantically checks her email for word from Henry, but he seems to be nowhere to be found, despite her attempts to contact him. Jack checks his own email and quickly shuts the computer when he sees something he didn’t expect, an email from Henry. Jack tells Andie that Henry wants to take a break from his and Jen's relationship, but she is adamant that Jack keep out of it.


Joey interviews at the Yacht Club for a very snobby woman named Ms. Valentine, and is talked down to quite a bit, causing her to start to walk out and name drop a rich family that Andie mentioned to her, causing the woman to do a complete 180 and ask her to come back in to start over.


Gretchen shows Pacey the place she found which while affordable, does need some work put into it to make it livable. Pacey’s dour mood after talking with Mitch causes Gretchen to inquire and he reveals his predicament. Gretchen tells him that he should be confiding in his girlfriend, but he is worried she will just see him as an idiot. She counters his argument that despite his father and Doug telling him he’s an idiot, his problem is Dawson, who is metaphorically whispering in his ear that he’s not good enough, but that Joey picked him and needs to deal with it before he ruins the relationship before it even begins.


As Joey works at the yacht Club, she finds herself verbally sparring with a young rich man and not taking kindly to his insults, which he tries to play off as a joke. She is surprised to see he signed his name as Owen Ross, the family she name dropped in her interview. The following day, he dishes some Yacht Club gossip to her about various people there and then also comes to her rescue when Ms. Valentine calls her out about having served an Owen Ross who was supposedly out of the country. After the rescue, “Owen” reveals he is actually Drue Valentine, the boss’s son, and realizes that Joey had lied her way into her job, but that that makes him actually like her more.


Joey and Pacey have dinner on the boat but Pacey’s dour mood and reluctance to tell Joey what is going on leads them to a bit of a fight when she makes a remark about having gotten a new job so as to not end up  doomed to roam the streets of Capeside as a local girl, or townie, as she puts it. Pacey takes offense but Joey calls him on it, refusing to escalate things.


Mitch talks with Dawson about Pacey’s troubles, and while Dawson says that it isn’t HIS problem to be worried about, Mitch counters that be that as it may, maybe Dawson knows someone that CAN help Pacey. The situation is further reinforced when at school, he sees that Pacey has failed to show up for class again. This leads him to go to Joey and tell her that he needs help, telling her that Pacey hasn’t told her about this because he wants Joey to be proud of him, and is scared to death of disappointing her. 


Joey confronts Pacey about his grades and he offers that he is just a loser but she says he isn’t, but that she is heartbroken to see that she comes up last in his list of people to talk to about his problems and storms off. 


Jack talks with Jen and it comes out that Henry is indeed breaking up with her, leaving Jen to walk away angry. Later, she finds Jack and apologizes for killing the messenger.


Pacey finds Joey and apologizes to her, explaining that she wrecked him when he fell in love with her, because he knew that a huge part of her heart would always be with Dawson, but everything changed after she picked Pacey over him. Because of that amazing miracle, he now lives his life waiting for the other shoe to drop when she realizes that she should be with Dawson. Joey tells him that that won’t happen because she is inspired by Pacey which is why she ran away with him in the first place, and that they are making their own history now, separate from Dawson and their past. She warns him that they are now moving forward where things could get rough, and that it’s the little moments that will define them and their relationship. Pacey breaks down and confesses he needs her help to not flunk out of school as she takes him in her arms and comforts him, assuring him that she isn’t going anywhere.

Dawson's Trivia:

Ms. Valentine was played by Carolyn Hennesy. She’s best known for her work on General Hospital as Diane Miller. She’s been in a number of series, both dramatic and comedic, such as Mother Lover (with Jonathan Lipnicki), a run of 25 episodes of Cougar Town (with Courtney Cox), and 10 episodes of True Blood, among a host of other guest appearances such as Click, Legally Blonde 2, and Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines. She has done voice work for various Star Trek and Star Wars games/series (notably playing Princess Leia in the series/games and Demine Lithe in The Rise Of Skywalker). Her current project, now filming, is a pilot called Failure To Parent (psychologist and single dad raising three daughters and failing but getting help from sexy neighbor Susan, aged 58).


Drue was played by Mark Matkevich. He hasn’t had anything as a main leading actor in his 19 credits, except his final credit in 2012, a movie called Melvin Smarty in which he plays Sebastian (comedic romp about young love and what it takes to achieve happiness amidst the backdrop of Reno, talkback radio, casinos, money, religion, crime, and other perversions).


fixatingonarewind via reddit: There is an active project, called The True Love Editions. During COVID, they released every season with the original music put back. They plan on updating to HD by the end of the year. They did a fantastic job, they used the DVDs and the UK airings with the official music to put it back. Way better experience. Message creekfan3 on IG for more info.

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iReactions/Ibrahim Ng: I feel this episode marks the breaking point of Dawson's character. Tom expressed consternation during Season 2 as to why Dawson was so loathed by the fans. In Season 3, Dawson's psychotic hatred for Pacey and controlling behaviour towards Joey cratered the character's likability.

It's true that in Seasons 1 - 2, Dawson could be vengeful. As early as Season 1, he broke Pacey's nose in a fit of rage. He was insanely jealous of Jack in Season 2. However, Dawson always regretted these impulses, apologizing to Pacey, making a film in which Dawson says Joey has outgrown him. Dawson could be sensitive, caring and insightful.

In contrast, Dawson's anger in Season 3 is sustained over the course of several weeks, indicates no self-awareness whatsoever, and this is a season where Dawson also gave up filmmaking. At this point, Dawson has lost all of the traits that made his character likable and only the flaws remain.

I think this is yet another area where a group of very talented writers simply lacked Williamson's skill. Williamson understood how to make Dawson self-defeating but someone the audience could empathize with as he addressed his flaws. His strengths existed alongside his weaknesses. In contrast, the post-Williamson writers have focused on Dawson's impulsivity and anger, partially to feed the more argumentative tone of Season 3, in some ways to make Pacey a more viable romantic option for Joey, but probably because they made a mistake and overemphasized some traits over others.

There's also the fact that according to a Vanity Fair article, James Van Der Beek and Joshua Jackson were apparently not getting along for reasons unrevealed; the writers said they made an effort to write fewer Dawson and Pacey scenes in Season 3 and it looks like when they did write scenes with the two characters, they wrote in the anger that they were observing between the actors. https://www.vanityfair.com/.../dawsons-creek-20th...

During the hiatus after Season 3, Van Der Beek did an interview that I can't find. He said that he'd told the writers that he felt Season 3 made Dawson too antagonistic and that he had requested that Dawson's sensitivity and kindness receive greater airtime. It's clear to me that the Season 4 writers agreed with Van Der Beek, but this comes with issues of its own. Fairly or unfairly, Dawson was held in utter contempt by the fans after Season 3 and it retroactively affects how fans remember the character in Seasons 1 - 2 much as Quinn Mallory of Sliders is despised due to later revisions to his character.

Anyway. Kevin Williamson comes back for the finale, so his version of Dawson will be restored. And Season 4 definitely does a lot of good work with Dawson, but it's possible that where Season 3 made him downright evil, Season 4 made him too good.

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Classic Creek Critiques:

Lots of people talking about Pacey’s hairdo and how it’s as bad as Felicity's hair massacre last season when she cut it all off. 


BudSwimmer18 says: He looks as bad as Felicity after her hair massacre last season.


Sweetie143823 replies: OK, I wouldn't go THAT far!!! I totally agree that the longer hair looks better, but this is nowhere near as bad as what Keri Russell did to her hair. Oh, and one more thing...while we're on the topic of hair, I must say that I think Dawson's new 'do looks even worse than Pacey's That long hair flopping in his face looks HORRIBLE on him! Pacey's haircut is not the greatest, but at least he still looks good. I think this hair makes Dawson looks ugly...it

reveals more of his receding hairline! Now he REALLY doesn't look like a teenager. Ugh.


Bite my Balzac in regards to Dawson’s hair: Nice receeding hairline for a "high schooler" =)


John Truman (Star, a girl) says: im i the only one who likes Pacey's hair? mind u it did look better around the time of Joeys mural. now that was sexy. do think your going a bit over board calling him a fuzz head. anyway take a look at Dawsons mop head, lol now thats something to laugh at. mind u everything involving the way Dawson looks his a joke.


Howard Rappaport channels Tom: Josh Jackson = George Clooney… need I say more?


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Frothy wonders about the weird shady relationship: I don't like the way Joey and Pacey's relationship has started in season 4. 2 episodes, 2 fights, 2 makeups. Is this going to be the trend. One good fight per episode and then they kiss and makeup. That will get old quick.


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Motteau223 wonders: The thing about the premiere that really annoyed me was no one wanted to see pacey. I mean him and jen seemed pretty tight from the last season. Pacey stood up for jack during that whole thing with the teacher. Just seemed they would be happy to see their friend.


Sweetie143823 responds: Do you know I didn't even realize this until I read what you wrote!!! As a HUGE Pacey fan, I am really ashamed, LOL. But that is SO true...I mean, why didn't he go say hello to Jen and Jack when Joey wanted to talk to Dawson, instead of "going to get a drink?" How come, when Joey told Jen that she and Pacey were taking the night off, Jen didn't call Pacey to welcome him home? I can see why Andie and Dawson avoided him, but you're right, Jen and Jack had absolutely no reason to. But truthfully, I don't think the writers really meant for the others not to have missed Pacey. I think they just overlooked it. We'll see what happens next week.


SorrowRuffian reasons: I just assumed it was one of those shifts that happens when you're in

high school. If there's a group of friends, and one leaves for a few months, "best friends" sort of get shifted around, the ones left get more time together, bonds get stronger.... Dawson's also pretty weak. Jack and Jenn know Pacey and Joey have each other, but in Dawson's opinion, he's got nothing, so if Jenn or Jack had shown any sort of welcoming to Pacey he would have accused them of abandoning him, too. Look how mad he got at Jenn for inviting Joey to the dive-in movie.


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Geret!!! Says: I thought that it was pretty good, but nothing REALLY happened. Joey and

Pacey fight (expected) Dawson is upset (expected) Mitch and Gale make out (expected and disturbing). I guess it's just because I've read so many spoilers or something, but I just thought that nothing really happened. I do think that Joey and Pacey will be together for quite a while though. Oh, and do you think that Joey will lose her virginity to Pacey this season?????


Daniel D Bauer is a bit negative on the writing: This pretty much sums up every episode of Dawson's Creek ever made, don't ya think. For example, in the last 5 episodes of last season, all the happened was the Joey and Pacey got together and Dawson got upset. The other

character's plots weren't at all developed. I don't know how the writers manage to consume so much air time with so little plot advancement.


Jasper responds: hell no. she wont sleep with pacey. They were on a boat for 3 monthes and didn't do it, what is going to make them do it now. I also don't think they will last very long. they are always fighting in the previews. I ginve them to the 4 or 5 ep, but thats about all the hope I have for them.


Darlene Volas is in agreement: Oh no....as much as I love Pacey and Joey together....I give them like 2 episodes more max.


Lilika AMpatzo has insider information? Joey and Pacey are still together and happy till the 7th episode that it was filmed recently.I heard this from an extra.And in the previews they aren't

fighting all the time 'cause it was just one scene.I've read from spoilers that they have another fight in the 2nd episode but that's all.I agree that it's a little strange to have sex now despite the fact that they were alone for 3 months but this is Dawson's Creek so we can't make any sort of

judgement from this.


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MTP asks: G'day everyone, Will Dawson and Pacey ever be friends again?  Just like to hear your opinions on this topic, I really do not see a way they could become friends again it would have to take something tragic or really big to happen and even then I don't think they would be friends anymore. After watching the first episode I think Pacey hates Dawson just as much as Dawson hates him becase Pacey knows he is still a threat and obviously now he can't handle that! Well maybe they should just jump in a wrestling ring and settle their differences and winner takes Joey :)


Jasper agrees: I agree I don't see them being friends again.


Martin has spoilers: *Small spoilers concerning the storm* Yes, I agree... but you said "a tragic incident" and at the third episode, there will be a storm in the 'true love' and Dawson and Joey will help Pacey and Jen (who are on the boat).... I think that this incident will make dawson and pacey friends again..


MTP replies: G'day Martin, Yeah I read something about it but I am not so sure if this would bring their friendship back as I think this will be something for Dawson to throw in his face like I saved you kiss my ass bitch haha


Rocky R jumps in: but remember the tragic incident between joey and dawson at the end of season 2 she said something along the lines of never forgiving him!! come on this is tv -- and its dawsons creek.. of course pacey and dawson will be friends again =)


Frothy has IRL experiencer with it: I was actually in a situation similar to this and my best friend and I didn't speak to each other for 6 months. 1.5 years later, we still talk and hang out, but not nearly as much and there is still tension there. They may become friends again but nothing will ever be the SAME as they stated in the season finalle when Pacey asked Dawson that question at the wedding. Just my 2 cents


Jasper replies: I agree with you if they do get back to gether it wont be the same, there will always be tension. I also Agree with MTP. I think for now dawson will use saving pacey on the boat against pacey.


Digerati01 gives his opinion: First off, I think that they can be friends again, but it will most likely lack that depth and trust that used to be there. Can it ever come back to it's full original status? I think so, but it would take something really big as a catalyst. I think that Pacey might be the one with the harder time being friends again. He is so insecure and resentful of Dawson, in just these first 2 episodes, Pacey has already tried to make Dawson the reason or excuse for just about everything he sees as going wrong. I think this will blow up in his face in the end. I don't think Dawson "hates" pacey, but he is no doubt really wounded. Still, he is a good friend and a truly "nice guy" which is why he went to tell Joey to help Pacey. It may have hurt him, but he did it. Which I think highlighted his own love for Joey given what he said. He showed her that he had to do what she would expect him to do (be the nice friend) even though it hurt him to help pacey.


Jasper responds: thats how I felt after seeing the episode. I also think next weeks will be good at showing Dawsons character and how he goes out in the storm even though he is mad at pacey.


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PeachTrek on Pacey and Joey: Okay am I the ONLY person who gets sick at the sight of them together. I would deffinately like Dawson and Joey back together and Andie and Pacey back

together. Gosh I saw the season premiere and I thought it was sickening especially when Joey said that her heart never left the boat or Pacey. I am sorry to say this for all you P/J lovers out their but that coupling SUX!


Jason Kolnos agrees: rock on!!! dawson and joey= true love and nothing should come between them


Jasper jumps in: I aree too. Dawson and Joey are the best. I don't care as much about

Pacey and Andy.


gargoyle agrees: I TOTALLY agree with you!! I was SOOOO relieved when Joey "told"

Dawson that she didn't have sex with Pacey on the boat. It would just enrage me if Joey had sex with anyone other than Dawson, for the first time. There is NO chemistry with J/P.....but get Dawson and Joey together in the same scene? ooooh LA LA! Sparks a-flying! I can't WAIT for the episode that puts Joey and Dawson back together!!


mcp...@vanderbeek.co.uk says: Where the hell were all you people when this whole love triangle started? Ive been looking at DC chatrooms/message boards fromthe beginning anf EVERYBODY was all JOEY + PACEY! It was alwasy a dumb idea and the only reason it even happened is because the producers monitor the official site chatrooms and message boards so that the viewers get what they want and the shows ratings stay high. its SOOO obvious! Why do you think Eve left so quick, when she was obviously supposed to become an important storyline. Pacey and Andie were probably the most high-chemistry couple on TV and the script writig between them was magic.


Jasper says: YES!! Exactly. That is exactly how I feel! Its about time someone in this group agreed with me. Is there anyone else that feels the same. Joey never should have risked what she had with Dawson.


SorrowRuffian replies: Except for the fact that when Joey developed a deep interest in art,

Dawson treated her with nothing but patronizing comments and little jibes about her "hobby." And when Joey realized Pacey had been much more supportive of her in her interest and in her emotional wellbeing, Dawson reacted with violence -- nearly destroying two boats, neither of

which he owned. Which led to Dawson instigating a fist fight with Pacey. Not the first time he's ever reacted with extreme violence when he felt jilted, either. How many times did he kick down the ladder when Joey said something he didn't like? How quickly has he gone from being in love with someone to in love with someone else? Yeah. That's healthy. That's a good guy to get into a relationship with.


Nope. I dated a Dawson in high school. In college, when I finally had to say "we're way too different now" it was an angry, hateful, bitter, nasty, violent end. Pacey, at least, has shown growth over the past seasons. He's gotten more serious about school. He's getting a little better with finding some direction for his life. Dawson faces change by reacting with violence and radical change. Pacey grows and builds on what he has.


Lost Marble says: Hate to interrupt the whole D/J thing you've got going, but I have to say I

love the P/J coupling. However, I did want D and J to be together in the first series, so I might again. But I doubt it.


Jazzlan — er Jazz inst a Dawson fan though: I can't believe all of you. Dawson is the worst character on the whole show, I do hope that rumor of his death comes true -- *soon*. And on the other hand, Joey and Pacey are the best characters. I think that they are the characters most can relate to - and in my opinion they are a perfect match. Precisely what Gretchen was saying.

Dawson is annoying beyond what words can describe, he prances around like he's better than the rest of Capeside, then whines like a spoiled brat everytime he doesn't get his own way. It would be interesting if Dawson suddenly became infatuated with Jack, although I would hope that Jack would reject him -- I wouldn't wish Dawson on any of the characters. I think Joey and Pacey have amazing chemistry . . . and I hope they stay together for at least a few more episodes. If Dawson ruins what they have, I'm going to be more than angry.


TJ Xenos is on board with Jazz: Wow. You're amazing. I agree with this completely (im not being sarcastic) pacey is the best character by far, my favorite scene of season 3 was when they were in the holding sell and he was all drunk and being an asshole to joey because he was bitter. i can completely relate :)


Jeysel…@webtv.net agrees too: I totally agree Pacey and Joey are the best together , they just look so adorable together ! I honestly love Pacey SOOOoooooo Much !!! He is so fine , but that haircut gotta go !!! Dawson is a "mamas little boy" who always ends up with his heart broken, he is soooo dumb,he is too innocent !!!! I can't stand him. I'd rather have Pacey / Joey stay to gether !!! : )


MoonGoddess proclaims: Oh please, how biased can you be? Joey and Pacey were completely cute! Yes, they had one fight but the end was completely sweet. We never got to see many moments of Dawson and Joey truly happy. I think it's worth it for Joey to continue to see Pacey and eventually Dawson will get over it, if not, that's his problem. Dawson thinks it's okay for him to be interested in anybody else, but God forbid Joey do the same...it's ridiculous! I understand why he would be hurt, but he's gotta get over it, Dawson and Joey were obviously never successful as a couple although they were as friends. I thought the premiere was great, can't wait until next week. And I thought it was refreshing to see Joey actually *happy*!


AngeInBvff says: I AGREE DAWSON AND JOEY FOREVA cos they are soul mates they cant live w/o eachother!


SorrowRuffian responds to Dawson wanting Joey to not be interested in anyone else: This is a point few people seem to get. He was madly in love with Jenn minutes after meeting her. He went after the girl he cast in his movie (Yes, a symbolic Joey, but the real Joey was still there). He was fooling around with Eve almost immediately. If you read the Desktop Diaries over the summer, you find out that he very nearly had sex with a friend he interned with last summer. The only times he's ever expressed ANY interest in Joey is any time he thinks he's losing her. At the

start of last season she VERY plainly states that she wants another try, and he pushes her away. Dawson only wants her when it's convenient to him. He really doesn't care about Joey as an individual.


Julie Jolin has … issues? I totally agree with you. Yes they are friends but so wath, they can't stay together fo ever. You can not go out with a boy who is almost your brother, this is just plain wrong. They both need to find someone else et stay friends has they have always be. And get pass those almost incestuous fellings


PATRICIA.ROUX wants Dawson and Joey: I'm not agree definitivly!!!! Although I live in France and I am seeing season 3, I love when Dawson is with Joey and they're a couple.They're so cute together. Sorry for all the P/J ers. Dawson & Joey forever lovers./


Beccaset chiming in: Okay, I can't resist adding my two cents! Pacey and Joey are the best

couple!!! They've got tons of chemistry and they fit together a lot better than Dawson and Joey did. Granted, it's probably not what the writers have in mind for a permanent couple, but let's enjoy it while we can!


rosi says: i'm with you on that one. i think it's bad if joey runs her whole life around dawson, which in season 1, she practically did. and you have to remember, DAWSON TOLD HER TO GO. and i think dawson knew what he was doing. he said "all roads lead back to me" (or something like that), but she had to find it out for herself.


Rhonda notes: There is more chemistry between joey and pacey.. dawson and joey looked more *forced* to me..


D.J. Blower says: I would like to continue believing that the main purpose of the P/J affair is to stretch out the show to another couple of seasons, as well as being due to Pacey being such an (understandably) popular character Any body who watched the beauty contest (talent section) in season 1 must understand what I am harping on about. I think that Williamson and the other collaborators have important things to say about true love, and I think that Joey and Dawson are the primary vehicle of these ideas. This theme is also what leads me to believe that Andie does not die, but that eventually she and Pacey are reunited. Of course I could be completely wrong in my predictions, but then I would have to concede that DC was just another 'run of the mill' teen soap. And I am NOT ready to believe that quite yet. 


Frank1252 has insider info? Sorry to say, but the actress that plays andy will only do 7 ep's in season 4, then she is off the show


Matt B says: I know that Joey should move on from Dawson and experience other guys, but did she have to fall for his best friend? They really sneaked around too, maybe it WOULD have been better to ease into the whole thing. Still though, the whole thing just messed up the whole chemistry of the show. It used to be so happy, but now there are all these conflicts. Maybe it will work out in the long run, who knows?


Some notes:

I didn't know Andy looked that good in a bikini!

The white guy who was from "paris" but ended up being an American is

also the gay guy from the Real World New Orleans. I forget his name,

but someone on this NG may have already mentioned this fact.

Henry is gone? No big loss.

How mad is Pacey going to be after Dawson starts going out with

Gretchen? You know it's inevitable.

Bring back Eve!!!!


Embers97 reviews: I think that maybe the group has to learn things the hard way... remember this is a TV show. Not everything works out the way you want it to go. Someone else is pulling the strings. We can just complain about it or be happy. As for my thoughts on the first episode, I don't think I have ever seen so much skin in the first few minutes of a episode since the last time I watched a daytime soap during sweeps. They sure are pushing the envelope. But on a whole

it's overall tone was more pleasant and upbeat. TPTB also lived up to their making the show more visually vibrant. The colors and scene setups were fantastic. Nice use of NC for a change. As for the characters....everything was fine... except for MM....having a lame fling with the fake french boy JJ (Danny from Real World). Poorly excuse to have either in the episode. But she will

have an interesting plot before her curtain falls. Lets just see how they lay that one on us. The Dawson/Joey conversation was way above par and the ending with Pacey/Joey was really sweet. I was about to give up on DC after the past 2 substandard seasons but maybe they can pull off this one afterall. It could be the last, especially if this actors strike happens. But you never know.


Daniel D Bauer being negative as usual: It HAS to be the last season, as I've said before. There is absolutely no feasible way to keep the six of them together for another season, considering they will all be graduating.



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SorrowRuffian has an excerpt from the official Dawson’s Creek Newsletter: THE MYSTERY OF JACK & ANDIE: DAWN, the Jack and Andie question is always asked but never solved.


Here's the deal: when the writers first created Jack they wanted him to be a year older or younger than Andie, they were leaning towards older but they weren't positive which way they wanted to go. But then Paul Stupin was doing an interview so he asked, "Is Jack older or

younger?" and the writers said "older." But then we realized we liked Jack and we decided that even though he was a little older than Andie, they would be in the same grade. So the answer is: JACK AND ANDIE ARE IN THE SAME GRADE, BUT JACK IS OLDER THAN ANDIE! (Of course, it's our ongoing joke in the writer's room -- look in upcoming episode #404 for a

joke regarding this very subject!).

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