Monday, August 15, 2022

RW488 - Dawson's Creek S06E15-16 - Castaways Was Then

 


In this weeks episode of The Dawson's Creek Rewatch, Cory and Tom are locked in and forcing inspiration as they discuss season 6 episodes 15 & 16, "Castaways" and "That Was Then."

Castaways:

Written by: Gina Fattore

Directed by: Greg Prange

Original airdate: February 19, 2003


Synopsis: 

Joey attends a business party as a favor to Pacey, who ends up flirting with a very available and very flirty blonde. After Joey witnesses their behavior, she asks to go home, which is fine with Pacey, as he has just gotten the blonde’s invitation to get a little something something going on. Pacey begins driving her home but stops off to pick something up at the Kmart: Laundry detergent is what he tells Joey, but in reality he’s picking up a pack of condoms for his upcoming tryst. Joey ends up using the restroom, but requires Pacey to stand outside because the door doesn’t lock and she fears someone walking in on her. As they go to leave, they discover that they’re locked in, the store having closed. 


They try to get in touch with the police, but are stuck waiting for a callback. As Joey gets cold, Pacey offers her his jacket to stay warm, and she finds the condoms in his pocket, and is aghast to learn the real reason they stopped at the store. They begin to argue about sex and Pacey says he doesn’t want to talk bout sex with her, and it comes out that he is hurt that she didn’t seem to feel as bad about their breakup as she had about other relationships of hers like Dawson. Before they can go further, the police finally call back and let them know that they aren’t exactly a high priority right now given the weather outside and others who need greater help.


As Joey wanders around the store, Pacey pages her to electronics where had recorded an apology to her and proposes they make the best out of the situation, offering her pajamas, and offering her the chance to propose something for him, to which she ends up getting shaving supplies to shave his goatee. Pacey is surprised and begins running from her as the two playfully chase each other until Joey finally utilizes a ruse to get close to him. Having surrendered, they retire to the restroom where Pacey readies himself to shave, but Joey relents, letting him keep the facial hair, saying she just wanted to see his face again. 


The two end up playing board games as Joey asks him if he’s truly happy, explaining that she has always assumed that change is bad, but that right now she feels ok and that whatever is in her future, even if it is bad, not knowing about it, might be the good part of it all. Pacey doesn’t outright say he is happy, but says how could he not be happy, given that he has everything he wanted in life except for one thing. When she asks him what that thing is, he responds by making them nachos. 


They watch the movie version of the book Joey was supposed to read but Pacey gets bored and wants to do something else. Joey once again suggests the shaving idea to which he relents and allows her to shave away his goatee. As Joey looks at his face, looking just as it did back in the day, the two end up kissing. Pacey says he has been wanting to kiss her all night ever since she showed up in her dress for the party, even when they were yelling at each other. He tries to explain that he has felt lately that she was the one of the few things if not the only thing that ever made total and complete sense in his life. Joey is shocked and asks if she can sleep on this new information and the two curl up in the camping section of the store. 


When they awake in the morning, the employee who talked with Pacey when he was buying the condoms the previous night, tells them that this isn’t cool and to get out before the manager comes around. He asks if Joey is his girlfriend, to which Joey responds that they just sleep with each other occasionally. As they check out, paying for all the stuff they used and ate, the cashier asks if they found everything they were looking for, with Pacey responding that they found what they needed, which is just as important, and the two walk out of the store joking about letting Joey drive his car. 

Dawson’s Trivia:

Jud Tylor is credited as (no joke) Sure Thing. She is rumored to be starring in an upcoming movie called All In Her Head (No details yet on IMDb, but the website for the movie says it is about a woman who suffers from chronic migraines which manifest themselves as a monster that phsychologically and physically terrorizes her. The tagline is: Bringing awareness to chronic conditions through a short HORROR film. Last year she was the lead in Cult Cartel (again, no details, no website), and the year before she was a lead in Magic Max (an 11 year old who loses his parents has to go live with his immature Uncle, a second rate magician who now needs to grow up and be a father figure and find love while doing it.) Also, in 2020 she was one of the leads in Psycho Pray Planner. Before those, she was a lead in a Hallmark type movie called Defending Santa (2003) starring Dean Cain. She was a supporting cast member in Tom Hanks’ Charlie Wilson’s War, and played Suzanne Somers in the unauthorized Story of Three’s Company. She’s also had various other roles in movies and TV series like Mad Men, Smallville, Seven Days, The Outer Limits, and That 70’s Show among others. She did play Snow White in a short called Cinderella: Intervention (fellow Disney characters try to get Cinderella to realize she has a sex addiction). 


George was played by Noah Segan, who has a lot of background roles, and extra parts. He’s even said to be in many Rian Johnson films as such characters.


The cashier was Lucia Scarano, who appeared in Spider-man: No Way Home as a bystander. 


K Mart Stores

That Was Then:

Written by: Anna Fricke

Directed by: Perry Lang

Original airdate: March 26, 2003 (5 week break)


Synopsis: 

Joey shows up at Pacey’s, asking if he regrets what he told her, and he counters by asking if she regrets hearing it. Joey says that it’s something that was already on her mind and tells him about how when she was younger she would cheat when reading choose your own adventure books, always trying to make the right choices to get a happy ending, alluding to her not wanting to make a wrong decision in her real life. Pacey tells her that he wants to be sure that they’ve grown enough to be together without having to go back and replay their history, wanting to look ahead to their future instead. Pacey moves in to kiss her but Joey backs away and suggests they go grab some pizza together to which Pacey agrees.


Dawson heads back to Capeside High at Mr. Gold’s request to talk with his current film students, and ends up showing him the film he made with Todd. It comes out that the students have seen Dawson’s film Creek Days, and have many questions for him, most notably one student named George who asks Dawson to watch his film, to which Dawson agrees. After seeing it, Dawson is not sure what to say which George takes as a negative, but Dawson eventually says that he did a good job, offering some minor criticisms, but tells him that the stuff that can;’t be taught is all in his movie. George in turn tells him that Dawson has heart, something that not too many people have.


Joey heads over to babysit Harley at Mr. Hetson’s request who has voiced concern about his daughter and boys. She ends up catching a boy, Patrick, who had been hiding in Harley’s closet, and sends them both downstairs to study. Patrick begins to flirt with Joey much to Harley’s and Joey’s dismay. Eventually it all becomes too much for Harley and she yells at Patrick and retreats to her room. While Joey tries to get Harley to come out of her room. Patrick continues his flirting until Joey shuts him down and tells him to go home and think of some way to apologize to his girlfriend. After he leaves Harley comes out and the two talk about young relationships and how many choices are motivated by fear during that time but now she is able to forgive herself for the mistakes of yesterday.


Pacey meanwhile arrives in Capeside after receiving a call from Doug that his father is in the hospital. The two have a bit of a spat about the room their dad is in, and how Doug has been busy trying to calm down their mother and sisters, but eventually Pacey gets in to see him. Mr Witter is very pleased to see Pacey, even asking him to stay when the doctor tells him he should have just one visitor at a time. Mr. Witter talks to Pacey with a new profound feeling of respect at all he’s accomplished, and even shows concern that he left his job to get there, but Pacey tells him it's not a problem because he is his father. He tells his son that he’s glad he grew up to be a good guy after everything he did, and wishes he had told him more often he knew he would turn out good.


After they visit Pacey finds Doug but Doug doesn’t want to go in and the two begin fighting about their lives and how Doug was here taking care of the family and how he resents Pacey’s life and him coming in as he does with gifts and money and making people forget that he’s normally the failure. Pacey is aghast at the revelation and asks why it isn’t possible for Doug to see him as actually having grown up, that maybe it’s a good thing that their father is happy to know that the son he ignored always is not holding a grudge against him. Doug, almost in tears, walks away. 


Later, as Doug sits in the room with his father, Pacey stops in to say he’s going to head out but will stop by in the morning. Mr. Witter thanks Pacey for getting him into the private hospital room, but Pacey lies, telling him that it was Doug who managed it. Pacey heads over to Dawson’s to check in on Gail but runs into Dawson and the two talk about the day’s events, and reflect on where they are in life now, and wonder about what they would do differently if they could do it all again. Together the two old friends head inside to hang out some more.


Back in Joey’s dorm room, she calls Pacey and gets his voicemail, leaving him a message saying that she’s been having a hard time figuring out their problem, but that maybe that’s because it's something they need to figure out together. She promises not to keep thinking about everything that has happened in their past, but instead look at everything that could happen.

Dawson’s Trivia:

Patrick was played by Taylor Handley. In 2007 he was a lead in the series Hidden Palms, starring Amber Heard (a rebellious teenager moves with his family to Palm Springs). He was one of the main cast members with Dennis Quaid, Carrie-Anne Moss, and Michael Chiklis in Vegas (2012) (Ralph Lamb, a former MP for the US Army, becomes sheriff. His brother, Jack, and his son, Dixon, are deputized. Meanwhile, Vincent Savino comes from Chicago to Vegas to run The Savoy hotel and casino). Back around the same period he led the movie Channeling (a drama centered on people who seek validation by broadcasting their lives to as big an audience as possible). In 2017 he was a lead in the series APB (After witnessing a violent crime, a tech billionaire purchases a troubled police precinct, rebooting it as a private police force). He most recently was one of the main cast in Jeremy Renner’s Mayor of Kingstown (a series about power brokers tackling themes of systemic racism, corruption and inequality in Kingstown, Michigan, where the business of incarceration is the only thriving industry). He did get his start in the industry in Michael Keaton’s Jack Frost playing Rory which coincidentally also starred Mika Boomer.


George was played by Lukas Behnken. Most of his credits are secondary cast roles like Gray’s Anatomy, Cold Case, Saving Grace, 7th Heaven, and 6 episodes of the series Everwood. Cory and Nathan have seen him before in Not Another Teen Movie where he played the coveted role of “white guy.” The most recent bigger production he’s been in is a series called The Well (a withdrawn bachelor, suddenly becomes plagued by recurring black outs that appear to be transporting him to a mysterious location, he enlists the help of an interested neighbor girl and an old high school science wiz to discover the cause which stems back to an experiment from the 1940’s).

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Classic Creek Critiques:

tachyon says: This is looking good for the P/Jo'ers!!! Hopefully tptb will sit up and take notice of what brings in the ratings... They've gone from a 4 share to an 8 to 10 share. It's all good :-)


“The Wednesday line-up of DAWSON'S CREEK and ANGEL was the latest success story for The WB. DAWSON'S CREEK placed #3 in its time period in adults 18-34 (2.8/8), persons 12-34 (2.6/8), women 18-34 (3.7/10) and women 12-34 (3.6/10). DAWSON'S scored better numbers than it did in the parallel week a year ago in all 18-34, 12-34 and 18-49 demos, including +17% in adults 18-34 (2.8/8).”


Mac counters with: Let's hope the producers realise that a Dawson / Joey finale would push the

ratings through the roof. Remember this is the finale coming up and there would be a greater sense of formal completeness with Dawson and Joey walking into the sunset. And as for the Idea that Dawson is gay: how ridiculous. Just because a man has some sensitivity and is secure enough not to be a macho man doesn't equal his being gay. Let's just hope that K W writes the D/J ending I'm sure most DC fans want: destiny finally unites them.


B…@aol.com says: well...I hope they call the roof where you are the floor by me. With the past episode and upcoming ones they're either working towards P & J together, or they're finalizing their relationship...I have a feeling they're going to do what BH90210 did in a few seasons in a few episodes. 


How the Brandon/Kelly/Steve/Val/blah blah blah thing coincides with Dawson/Joey/Pacey/Eddie/blah blah blah I have no clue, but I have a feeling that what was in the beginning is not going to be in the end. (even though david/donna ended up together in 90210...but their relationship was way more consistent than any other tv/teen relationship I

can ever remember).


I think the best formal completion this show can hope for is everyone together and happy for eachother. Now if Pacey and Joey end up together that would be the icing on the cake...

I'd almost rather have Jack and Jen finally in a relationship then worry about Dawson/Joey/Pacey Just seems like them two really need something more then we've seen them get...


And no. Dawson isn't sensitive and secure; he's a weenie. I'm glad he was doing 1 chick, dumped her over the phone and then scored with Joey...thats about the balliest thing he's done.


[On Dawson and Joey reuniting for the finale]:  It'd be a really lame way to end the show. They had their sex0r...and well there is no spark with them. Depending on how they end the series one may be brought back up...but the only one that really had a relationship (one that lasted with meaning) with Joey was Pacey; that's indisputable.


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In response to something James VB said about Dawson and Joey ending up together, Alberich says: Okay Tachyon, it's time you fess up. So far NOTHING from you about what was posted a few days ago...that JVB said that he gets Joey in the end. So far I can't find any link to this "supposed" spoiler...but it would help alot if you were to come on the board again and post your thoughts or "info" on this supposed "shocking" ending. Although I can't say I'm surprised...color me disappointed because of the way things are looking right now between Joey and Pacey. They work, they sizzle and they plain click. I just don't understand it. Please give us some news. We "spoiler hounds" wanna know. Please, we need to hear some reassuring news from you or at least give us what you've found out about this really sad development in forehead forever Creek land. I can tell you this from what I've learned...they supposedly come back together after a 4 year hiatus to attend a wedding. But nothing else. C'mon Tachyon, don't let us down.


Dawn agrees: Well put, Alberich!! I was thinking the very same thing over tachyon's silence on this matter!!! The suspense is killing me!!! As you said, I also have not found and evidence to support this Dawson-Joey reunion in the end but I would still like to hear it--something, anything--from tachyon!!!! I doesn't make sense to start Joey and Pacey off on this "new start" and, with only 9 new episodes left, ge them together and break them up and pair her with Dawson!!! Well, at least that's how I am rationalizing it in my head for now to keep myself sane!!


tachyon says: Ok. Here's the deal. I actually have a life. I'm in the middle of writing my PhD applications as well as trying to finish my masters research / thesis. So won't you please forgive me for not being around 24/7? *rolls eyes*


One source is saying that there is quite alot of talk about marriage in upcoming episodes. Between Pacey and Joey. However, what this means, I don't know...And my source doesn't really know either.


From what I've been told, D/Jo are over. Dead. Finished. The only way I can see them reuniting is in the season finale which from what Katie said in an interview will jump ahead 4 years. So much time will have passed since #622, therefore anything could have happened. Yet, all the sources seem to be pretty convinced that P/Jo are still going to be together and that D/Jo

are over. Although they don't have any actual concrete evidence of this. It's simply a gut feeling that they have. That's all I have to say on the matter. And unless something of earth shattering importance comes up, I probably won't be posting here a great deal.


Dawn responds: Now, now, no need to get all bent out of shape and there is no need for eye

rolling...I think we can all assume that you have a life, as we all do, and you aren't around 24/7.

However, we can all see that (at least in the past) you've posted pretty regularly and, in addition to that, we can all see that since this topic was raised, you've posted on other matters (Eddie), but not this one. We--or at least *I*--just thought you were trying to keep some suspense going!!

Forgive us for being curious and asking for your thoughts on it! I had no idea I was intruding on your life so much and I will apologize for that! As stated, we don't expect you around all the time but this original post has been here since...lemme check...February 8, which is 4 days now. And it was myself and Alberich just wondering where you were, a total of 3 times in 4 days. I would think you'd be flattered that we come to you for your thoughts. Boy, was I wrong!


tachyon responds back: I think my last post came out wrong ... I didn't mean to offend you guys.

It just seems that every time I come here someone (nobody in particular) seems to be begging for spoilers. There's one thing I dislike, and that is people begging for spoilers. I come here for a bit of light relief when I get sick of my research ... But whatever.


If I had anything to post, I would post it, as I've said in the past. I don't get new spoilers every day, and my sources don't either. When we hear something, we're happy, and we'll pass it on. But if we don't hear anything, we sit and discuss what we already know and speculate on what

might happen. We don't go begging our sources for details. As some have learned the hard way, doing that often leads to sources dropping off the face of the planet. I'm not saying that I'll be doing that, but why don't we try discussing what is already known rather than continually asking for new stuff?


Dandelion says: Good God, people. Tachyon posted SEVERAL times that they didn't *know*

the outcome of the show. Tachyon also stated that the final episodes hadn't even been *written*. You weren't asking for "thoughts". You were DEMANDING spoilers. And you're both getting down right annoying. When Tachyon *has* spoilers, Tachyon will *post* the spoilers.


The conversation then evolved into a typical 2022 shouting match between Dawn and Dandelion about who was actually being rude. Someone jumped into say they should discuss the episode and what they know instead of future possible spoilers to which someone else responded “Who asked you?” Le sigh -Tom.


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Ablang said: Joey & Pacey @ K-Mart. Did anybody else instantly recognize that episode's theme as a copy of a movie released in the early 90's starring Jennifer Connelly & Frank Whaley, called "Career Opportunities"? This episode was very good. Katie Holmes was extremely cute in this episode.


b…@aol.com said: YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I loved that movie...I just wish they would have used a Target in the DC episode instead of a BigK. :p


Ryan disagrees: Such obvious filler just to get them to the finale in May.

1. I've worked retail, stores don't become abandoned at closing. Several people stick

around to stock shelves in the middle of the night.

2. More Pacey/Joey stuff (yawn)

3. Most dramatic moment is the shaving of a

goatee (double yawn)

4. The police wouldnt' respond? Uh-huh.

5. They could just wake up and leave. Uh-huh.

6. 100 bux worth of stuff????

7. A dream come true???

8. Joey more whiney than usual.

I was actually the last to find out last night that this is the last season. Good move.


howie says: This episode appeased so many J/P fans (I'm included in that list) You want a filler episode...hows about "4 Scary Stories" ... THE ULTIMATE FILLER. This was a major episode...it tied us back to the good ole days of season 3/4 :)


More P+J = fantastic. Nothing beats the plays they make off of each other. She's the only person that can get Pacey to open up, and he's a great character; hence them together.


While I do agree that it is quite dramatic, I liked pacey with the video camera myself...it got a real smile from joey.


Yeah...shit, she got PJ's and slippers, razor, shaving cream, all their snacks, the movie, Pacey's bruins sweatshirt, and whatever else they made use of...it adds up!


Damn, it was  dream come true for me. Last week and this week have been fantastic episodes. Granted if they do another all joey/pacey episode again its a problem, but this episode gave closure to the end of season 3, the mid-season, and season 4 that was never there before. It also opened up some new doors, but damn...we got the truth out of Paceys mouth to Joeys

face (which mind you, I don't mind looking it)


I have to disagree with that [Whiny Joey] totally. I don't really think she was whiney at all. Her reactions were quite normal I think.


weezer says: You're one of the few ppl i've seen complaining about that ep..The last 2 eps were some of the best in a long long time


Dark Knight says: Ok, newbie here offering his two cents worth. I didn't like the episode either.


AW says: Anyway, I loved it. I will admit that I haven't watched very regularly since about the middle of last season (I can not *stand* Audrey and couldn't start watching this season when I found out the opener would be of J/D having sex), but this was the best episode since Season 3, IMO. It made me think of the episode when Pacey calls Bessie to have her call Joe to pick up milk, and she finds Pacey at the wall. And I did love the nod to the boat.... sigh. I'm so happy.

And you know what? I actually almost cried, and realized I was holding my breath after Joey shaved Pacey (thank the good lord!) and they kissed. Oh, I do hope that they end up together... and I hope DC doesn't go the Felicity route, but if it be so, I would only hope for a *good* ending this time.


Oscar G. Carranza says: I agree with Weezer, the last two episodes bring me back to the good ole days of Dawsons Creek. Best episodes this year, hopefully a sign of whats to come for the remainder of the season.


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Rob Jobner is a Doey lover: It doesn't really matter what happens in the finale everything after

season two was way off beam anyway. Admitted there were some good shows but the logical development of the higher level plotlines was silly in the extreme. I think there are quite a few gushing little girls with posters of Pacey on their walls wishing they were Joey but the logic of the show demands Dawson links with Joey. The shows central relationship is Dawson and Joey anything else is ludicrous and amateurish but having said that there a lot of wobbly scripts starting at season three. As for Pacey he is a far more interesting character in the early seasons and he actually has some character unlike the cardboard cutout he becomes in later episodes. One of the poorest lines of development was breaking him up with Andie that way, laughable really.


Consider this: because the scriptwriters go with a Joey/Mr X finale we don't have to accept that. Writers cop out all the time; just look at Henry James, for example, with Portrait of Lady, spineless in the extreme. So Kev, there is only one acceptable ending: Dawson and Joey

anything else misses the point.


Mosaic agrees: I'm am going to agree with you 125%. This show has totally lost its premise.

Dawson and Joey. Period. Why did most of us get hooked on this show? Because the whole first season was about Dawson and Joey and our need for them to "hook up." For this show to end with Joey ending up with someone else makes the last 6 years redundant. The best relationship for Pacey was Andie. Unfortunately she chose to leave the show.


I take no rumors or spoilers for truth at this point in time. The ending of this show is only known to a few. Let's just watch and enjoy it while it lasts.

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