Monday, September 5, 2022

RW494 - Dawson's Creek S06E21-22 - Goodbye Redemption

 


In this weeks episode of The Dawson's Creek Rewatch, Cory and Tom are bringing home all the drama as they discuss season 6 episodes 21 & 22, "Goodbye, Yellow Brick Road" and "Joey Potter and the Capeside Redemption."

Goodbye, Yellow Brick Road:

Written by: Anna Fricke

Directed by: Peter Kowalski

Original airdate: April 30, 2003


Synopsis: 

Dawson comes outside his house to see Pacey there and the two chat for a bit with Dawson inviting him inside to see his newly redecorated room, restored to how it was during his teen days. He tells Pacey he’s giving him the credit of associate producer and asks him why he’s in town but Pacey deflects the question, making a joke.


At Grams’ house, Jen’s mother, Helen, arrives in response to Jen’s request. Grams is shocked to see her, admonishing Jen for telling what wasn’t hers to tell but Jen reveals that she hasn’t said a word. They all sit down for a chat, but it’s somewhat stilted and Jen removes herself from it, hoping Grams will tell her daughter about her diagnosis but she isn’t ready yet to do that.


Joey and Audrey have a heartfelt goodbye with Joey saying that she never really had a girl-friend until her. Later, back at Capeside, she receives a script Dawson left for her on her porch and she reads it, immediately heading over to his house. He greets her as she stares at the ladder she used to use all the time and together they go up to his room and she is impressed with how he’s restored it. They talk about life over the past year and in the end she tells him that his screenplay gets the story right this time.


Pacey sits at a bar, writing down some notes when Audrey and Jack Osbourne show up. After some small talk, Audrey asks Pacey what he’s hiding from, telling him that no matter what, no matter how much he may drink, the problem is still going to be there in the morning.


Helen finally gets to meet Jen’s boyfriend CJ, though she does mistake Jack for him instead. As they talk, Uncle Bill shows up and makes a plea to Grams, saying he loves her and doesn’t want to see her give up, letting it slip that she has cancer, shocking Jack and Helen. Jen reveals that she felt that it was best for Grams to be surrounded by family, and suggests that they move to New York to be together as that family.


Pacey arrives at Dawson’s and when Joey goes to leave, he asks her to stay as he reveals what happened with Dawson’s money. Dawson is shocked and sick at this new information, and starts to get angry, bringing up the past, with Pacey responding in kind. Joey tries to step between them and calm them down, but the damage appears done as the two friends walk away from each other.


Joey goes to Pacey and tries to reason with him, explaining that they’re just ghosts of their former selves, in front of the same house they’ve haunted for years, and that the past is forgotten. Pacey denies that, but Joey counters that he seems to only ever focus on the sad parts of his life, instead of seeing the times when people are actually loving him.


Back with Grams, Jen asks Jack to move with them to New York and Jack happily accepts, citing them as his only real family he has.


Audrey is introduced by Jack Osbourne at an open mic night and she gets up and stuns the place, and the viewers, with her newfound ability to play amazing acoustic guitar as she sings a heartfelt ballad that plays over a montage of Jen, Grams, Jack and Helen baking cookies, Pacey staring off into the night sky at the pier, Dawson standing by his window in deep thought and hurt feelings, and Joey sitting outside her house, crying, as the wind flips pages of Dawson’s script nearby.

Dawson’s Trivia:

This is the first directing gig for Peter Kowalski. Again, it appears he works in the cinematography department, since he has most of his credits as a camera operator on films such as Mother’s Boys, Doctor Dolittle (1998), Hounddog (with Dakota Fanning and David Morse), and Hunger Games: Catching Fire, and shows such as V.I.P, One Tree Hill, and Vice Principals. He was a first assistant camera op on the Babylon 5 series, where he worked up to a camera op position, which carried over to 2 of the movies, Baylon 5: In the Beginning and Babylon 5: Thirdspace. He also directed 6 eps of One Tree Hill, and 2 eps of Rizzoli & Isles.


Mimi Rogers played the new Helen Lindley. She’s best known for her roles in movies such as The Doors, Desperate Hours, and the remake of Lost In Space. She found a revitalization in her career after appearing in Austin Powers: International Man Of Mystery. She had several guest spots on the X-Files, several episodes of various NCIS incarnations, and recently the series Bosch as Honey Chandler. At one point she did star in a one season sitcom called The Loop, about a college grad trying to make it in corporate America. She’s apparently most proud of her role in The Rapture (1991), about a telephone operator living an empty, amoral life who finds God and loses him again, saying it allowed her to express the full range of her abilities as an actress. 


Some other Mimi facts: 

  • Her maiden name is actually Mimi Spickler. 
  • She graduated from high school at age 14. 
  • Her first husband was a Church of Scientology counselor, and her second husband, Tom Cruise, would later go on to become one of the foremost spokesmen for the church. They were married just for three years, after which she posed for Playboy, commenting on her and Tom’s marriage, later retracting her statements saying they were misinterpreted (something along the lines of him studying to be a monk and needing to be celibate to maintain the purity of his instrument, and that her instrument needed tuning). Mimi would later leave the church of Scientogloy.
  • She is also a member of Mensa and an avid environmentalist. 

Joey Petter and the Capeside Redemption:

Written by: Gina Fattore & Tom Kapinos

Directed by: Michael Lange

Original airdate: May 7, 2003


Synopsis: 

Joey begins the show by narrating the state of Caepside and the relationships within its town lines before heading over to Dawson’s where he is removing things from his bedroom walls, symbolically purging his ruined film from his life. Joey tells him to stop and calls him on letting something get in the way of his dreams, trying to get him to work something out, try to come to terms with Pacey, anything, but Dawson is adamant that it is all over, being in debt so much now that he has to work double shifts to take care of it all. Joey leaves but tells him she will be back but to not give up.


Joey’s plan involves getting the whole gang plus Doug, plus various business owners around town, plus a blackmailed Harley and her boyfriend to all work together to try and pull off Dawson’s movie. She does attempt to get Pacey as well, but he is walloping in his despair, sitting in his own chip encrusted filth, watching daytime soap operas.


Jen attempts to use her feminine wiles to get a film geek working at a rental store to let her borrow some cameras, lights, and mics, but he isn’t interested in her, leaving Jack to step up instead.


Dawson returns home after a long double shift and heads up to his bedroom and is surprised to see everyone there and hear of their plan. He tries to explain why it won’t work because he has too much work but his mother happily enters the room and fires him, giving him a glass of champagne to toast the start of his new film.


The filming begins in earnest the next day, with various hurdles being overcome easily with Deputy Doug’s help, Joey’s tight grip on Patrick’s hair when he gets out of line, and Audrey being a diva. Gale even pitches in by bringing Todd to the set, glad to help out his young protege with whatever he needs. 


Pacey meanwhile has come out of his sad stupor and has started visiting local businesses to collect donations towards Dawson’s film, promising their name in the credits as advertising, and even offering a cameo for a local dentist. HE ends up bumping into Christy Livingstone from high school but barely recognizes her (mainly because she has been recast, but we don’t talk about that). The two get along famously and she leaves her number with him.


Joey sees the two of them and comes over to chat, with him asking her to give Dawson the money he’s collected so far. She refuses saying that he was right and it isn’t her fight, basically encouraging him to do it.


Grams sits on the Leery’s porch and reminisces about the old days with Jen nearby. Soon enough their cab arrives and they bid goodbye to their friends.


As shooting ends for the day, Todd hits on Audrey and scores, while Dawson lays down on his bed, chatting with Joey, saying how shooting the film is saving him tons of money on future therapy. She tells him that this was one of those rare truly great days, asking him how he would describe his movie. Dawson tells her it’s about a girl who wanted more than she had, but had to grow up to realize that she already had everything she wanted. With that, Dawson falls asleep, only to awaken the next morning to a note from Joey, quickly heading off in response.


Dawson arrives at the old ruins, and is surprised to see Pacey walking towards him. They realize that Joey sent them both a note to get them together and the two chat, with Pacey saying that maybe they can never go back to the way they used to be because they aren’t those people anymore, reasoning that they’ve grown and changed, and that the only thing binding them together is that they both loved the same woman. Dawson theorizes that it never worked out between them and Joey because all they ever wanted was her, and all she ever wanted was for them to be friends again. Dawson concedes that anything is possible when Pacey asks if they can ever be friends again, leaving Pacey to give him the money he raised so far, cementing a path for a new friendship to be forged.


As filming continues, Joey once again gives a voiceover, explaining how she finally feels grown up and not afraid to take chances, and is thankful for all that has happened because it made her what she is, as she walks around the streets of Paris.

Dawson’s Trivia:

Nicole Steinwedell played the new Kristy Livingstone. She was a main cast member in The Golden Scallop, about three restaurants that continually compete against each other every year in a fried fish competition. She was a bit higher up on the cast list in a TV movie called Guy Suave, a very inappropriate adult swim pilot about a homicidal and crazy spy who speaks in single entendres, playing the part of Licky Lick, a member of Guy’s Bikini Army. She did star in Jackie Collins’ Paris Connections, about an Investigative journalist, Madison Castelli,  investigating a murder during Paris fashion week, certain that it is more than the "crime of passion" the French press says. She also starred in The Unit during season 4, as Bridget Sullivan. Aside from one off roles here and there in movies and TV shows, she did have a bit part in He’s Just Not That Into You.


The Dentist was Megan Blake. She was the host of Animal Attractions TV during season 3, and made several supporting cast cameos in various TV movies and series, but nothing of great notoriety.


The Policeman was Troy Rudeseal who went on to appear in Surface as a surgeon. He also appeared in One Tree Hill as a nurse, and various other extra type roles. He’s still working today, appearing in Star Girl, The Resident, and a mini series called The American Constitution.


The video store owner was Rick Warner, and he’s a long time professional extra who can be seen in Surface playing an interviewer.

Essential Playlist:


Classic Creek Critiques:

Alberich says: I saw X2 today in the movie house and I immediately thought about Katie Holmes and Joshua Jackson in the roles of Rogue and Iceman. They would be perfect for the characters and I'm wondering if you people think the same thing.


David//Amicus says: What about Kerr Smith as Nightcrawler?


Alberich says: Good one! Yes, but Alan Cummings is perfectly cast as Nightcrawler though. But I really think Rogue should be recast. Anna Paquin is a good actress but she doesn't have "presence" like the others. I do wish Anna Paquin will return for X3, don't get me wrong. I'm only suggesting Katie Holmes if Anna Paquin chooses not to come back for X3. But I think she will. It's if she decides not to come back for X4 should they get that far. Oh, god this X-Men franchise is heaven sent! They could go on and on and on with this thing. The problem is recasting the roles because most of them probably won't return at some point.


I mean, who do you recast for Xavier, Magneto and Wolverine? They've become so much the characters they play that it's hard to see them recasting the roles for other actors for these parts. That's why as much as I like the X-Men movies, I don't see them going beyond X3. And that makes me sad. The Mystique character can be recast easily though. The actress that comes to my mind is Natasha Hendstridge. Period. She could do it. Storm? I cringe when I say this but...J Lo. Dr Jean Grey? How about Michelle Williams?


DaleMurph1 says: If you have seen X2, You know why Jean Grey won't be in X3.


Jolene says: Saw it yesterday and I was not impressed with that. I understand why she did it but thought they could have done something for her


Sharpe Fan says: That was my impression when I saw the movie, but others have said this is wrong. Jean Grey become Phoenix, supposedly. I am not an expert on the X-Men universe, but I have read that happens in the comics. Also, I know Framke Jensen - the actress, I am not sure of the spelling - is contractually obligated to X3.


Katschthaler says: heard the same. I'm quite sure she'll be back. xavier made an allusion too

at the end as the kids come into his room...


*


Sean Billingsley says: I’ve been watching television for a while now, and this whole series finale storyline seems far too easy. Or maybe I'm hoping that the ideas being bantered around on this newsgroup about the finale are false because they contain the same soap opera-like atmosphere that has seen the show fall from grace.


If I'm not mistaken the show is called DAWSON'S CREEK. Not Pacey's or Joey's or Jen's Creek but Dawson's. Yes he may be boring to some or too straight and narrow but in the end it's his story and world that got me to watch the show. Case in point, The Wonder Years no matter how tragic or comical always centered on Kevin Arnold. Which was the shows enormous strength, and yes at times he was boring or too idealistic but in the end it gave the show a sense of purpose.


With Dawson's Creek's concentration on the Pacey/Joey/Dawson triangle it's become less about life's trivialities and more about Bev Hills 90210. So I for one am hoping it is a different show then one depicted (Jen dying?), and that it doesn't fall to the ordinary (Joey and Pacey)

as so many shows in the past have done.


Melissa Ann responds: I hope the ending surprizes us all. And turns out different than all these spoilers going around. I dont really want to see anyone die, and its kinda crazy how if thats the ending, they have alredy told us about it. Surprizes wether good or bad should be kept a secret. Thats why I have a feeling something is going to happen very different from the spoilers posted in this group. I could be wrong, but if all goes as written, theres not much left to see on Wednesday night. I guess we will see.....


Melissa Ann adds: I liked last nights show, I think it was a nice second to last show. Everything was nicely wrapped up, I cant wait to see next weeks last show and how it all ends. I have a feeling it is nothing like any of the spoilers floating around.Then again I could be wrong, but I have a feeling its going to be nothing expected. Overall Dawsons Creek was a great show, it kept me watching for all 6 seasons. Kinda sad to see it ending, wonder what will come next.

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Thursday, September 1, 2022

RW493 - Crank Rewatch - Crank: High Voltage

 


In this episode of The Crank Rewatch, Cory and Eoghan have a shockingly heart racing discussion about "Crank: High Voltage."

Trailer:

Our Favourite Trivia:

After the modest success of Crank at the box office, especially off the back of DVD sales, its directors Mark Neveldine and Brian Taylor were approached by Lionsgate Films to direct a sequel. Neveldine and Taylor refused, explaining that the idea "sounded ridiculous" and "kinda lame" as they had already "killed" its protagonist. They stayed on as writers, and decided to direct when they fell in love with the script.

Jason Statham was the one who really pushed for it. Producers suggest the script was never read by the studio and they just greenlit.


To achieve the same "hyper-kinetic visuals" of the first film, Neveldine, Taylor and cinematographer Brandon Trost acted as camera operators and photographed using "prosumer" high-definition camcorders including Canon's VIXIA HF-10 and XH-A1.


Specialty rigs were also developed for the film, one of which was a piece of speed rail bent 180 degrees and mounted with a total of eight cameras that lent a bullet-time look reminiscent of The Matrix.


They shot 300 hours of footage in 30 days of filming.


One of Corey Haim's final acting roles before his death on March 10, 2010 and also David Carradine's final acting roles before his death on June 3, 2009.


The artificial heart shown in the movie is actually a real artificial heart, the AbioCor from Abiomed. However the real artificial heart is totally internal and does not include a battery box as shown in the movie. The latest AbioCors can run on battery without recharging (done via external RF chargers) for over 4 hours.


Mike Patton (of Faith No More) composed the original score.


Keith Jardine: The Concerned Man who is seen very briefly asking Chelios if he's okay. He’s  a UFC mixed martial artist. Jardine is wearing a shirt that says "MEAN 1". This is appropriate as Jardine's in-ring nickname is "The Dean Of Mean".


Chester Bennington: The tattooed man Jason Statham rubs up against at the horse track is the lead singer for Linkin Park. He also appeared briefly in the original film as the guy in the hospital pharmacy who tells Chelios about the nasal spray.


Maynard James Keenan: The man with the control to the electric shock collar is the lead singer of prog-metal band Tool.


Danny Lohner: The man accompanying the owner of the shock collar that Chev Chelios steals is Danny Lohner, of Nine Inch Nails and various other industrial projects.

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Monday, August 29, 2022

RW492 - Dawson's Creek S06E19-20 - Love Catch

 


In this weeks episode of The Dawson's Creek Rewatch, Cory and Tom are on the hotline with their very own opinions as they discuss season 6 episodes 19 & 20, "Lovelines" and "Catch-22."

Lovelines:

Written by: Jason M. Palmer

Directed by: Joshua Jackson

Original airdate: April16, 2003


Synopsis: 

Eddie attempts to get Joey in the mood for a little sexy time but she’s put off by his adolescent advances, and welcomes the interruption of Audrey returning to school. At the helpline office, CJ tries to entice Jen by inviting her over, but she instead breaks up with him suddenly. Elsewhere Jack and David are selling tickets to a special charity episode of Loveline that is being shot on campus, and hosted by none other than Jen. One ticket buyer, Fred, shows a slight interest in David, leaving Jack to make a joke.


Later as everyone begins getting seated for the show to start, Jen panics and starts asking David to be a ringer in case no one asks any questions but he declines, citing glossophobia, a fear of public speaking. 


Backstage, Audrey talks with Jen, frantically trying to find Dr. Drew, but only ends up being hit on by Adam Corolla. Out in the audience, David shows up to find Fred sitting next to Jack, who offered him the seat when David hadn’t arrived yet. Fred apologizes and leaves, as David sits down, annoyed at seeing what he thought was flirting between Jack and Fred. Nearby, Eddie once again tries to get Joey to talk about sex but to no avail.


As the show gets started, no one volunteers any questions causing CJ to break the silence by asking about his relationship. While Drew and Adam begin their attempt to help, Jen interjects to shut down CJ’s thoughts in favor of finding questions from the paying audience members. Instead, an outburst from Eddie leads Drew and Adam to ask them what is going on, and then invite them up to the stage to further investigate. Once they’re on stage, the hosts try getting to the root of Eddie and Joey’s problem which comes to the broken trust when he left twice. Joey turns to Jen to take the heat off of her who in turn calls on David who asks about what to do when one finds his boyfriend flirting in front of him. Dr. Drew attempts to answer but Jen interrupts that perhaps it was all just a misunderstanding and attempts to take a question from an anonymous student who turns out to be Audrey, who quickly tries to seduce Dr. Drew before CJ brings up his issue again. Drew and Adam manage to get Jen talking but she quickly deflects and tries to turn the attention back to Joey before telling everyone to call the helpline if they have any questions and rushes offstage, giving Audrey the job of finishing hosting the show.


A montage follows, of various questions being asked and answered before the show is finally over, and Joey and Eddie find themselves backstage trying to find Audrey since they were going to give her a ride home. Adam comes over and gives Eddie some advice about earning Joey’s trust back, which after Eddie tells her there’s nothing he can say to earn her trust again but that he does love her. Joey rushes him home without Audrey presumably because he has now earned her trust and she wants to make mad passionate love with him. No really, that happened.


Jack and David talk about what happened and David will not accept the idea that the flirting he thinks he saw was just a misunderstanding, giving Jack an ultimatum, either apologize for it, or break up with him.


Jen waits for CJ outside, and asks for his help, revealing that her Grams is sick, as CJ takes her in his arms and comforts her. 


Audrey tries to get Adam to help him find Dr. Drew but Adam tells her that he’s already gone. Audrey is disappointed but suddenly hears Dr. Drew’s voice and accepts his offer of a ride back home.

Dawson’s Trivia:

One of the most listened to doctors in America, Dr. Drew Pinsky hosted the nationally syndicated radio show "Loveline", where he had taken calls from listeners since 1983. Dr. Drew is a practicing physician who is board certified in internal and addiction medicine, still runs a private practice, is on staff at Huntington Memorial Hospital and is Assistant Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at the Keck USC School of Medicine.


Adam Corolla started out as a carpet cleaner / boxing trainer before his friend Jimmy Kimmel got him on a radio show, which led to meeting Dr. Drew. Drew liked his style, and offered him a job as co-host on “Loveline'', which had a four year stint on MTV. After that, he created The Man Show with Kimmel. He was also the executive producer of Crank Yankers, and now hosts his own podcast. 

Catch-22:

Written by: Laura Glasser

Directed by: Robert McNeill

Original airdate: April 23, 2003


Synopsis: 

While Pacey starts to date Sadia Shaw, Joey studies in her dorm with Eddie, with him telling her to not just repeat what Hetson said in class and to develop an opinion of her own. They’re interrupted by Audrey who reveals that she is going to be kicked out of school unless she attends summer school, a prospect she dreads. Speaking of summer, Joey tries to figure out what THEIR plans are for summer, thinking Eddie would come home with her to Capeside, but Eddie fears the disapproving eye of her father and says he has a better idea, but won’t tell her about it till after her final exam, lest she be distracted. 


Jack finds David at the helpline and the two set up a date to talk about things. Unfortunately when David shows up, he sees Jack chatting with a friend from school and immediately jumps to conclusions. The two argue about their relationship with David saying that he feels Jack is just going through the motions of a relationship, rather than really wanting to be in one and breaks up with him.


At Hetson’s final, Eddie goes to give Hetson a thank you but as usual, Hetson’s sardonic remarks get to him and the two start to go at it before Joey steps in and calms things down. 


At the office, Dawson calls Pacey to tell him he’s nervous and wants to pull out of the investment but Pacey convinces him to stay in just a little longer, stating that the stock will shoot through the roof after the FDA approves Stepatech's vaccine.


After the final, Joey meets Eddie who gives her his surprise, a backpack, with a book inside called Europe for $5 a day, and explains his idea for the two of them to travel Europe for the summer, to which Joey enthusiastically accepts. However, later back at her dorm, as they begin working out the details of where they will be going and how, they begin to argue, having a difference of opinion on how big they should be going for this trip, considering their lack of money and the coming school year. With Joey now stuck on being practical, afraid of taking a chance, Eddie calls her on it, deciding that she blinded him, that she actually might be afraid to love someone because of the risk and pain that might happen. Joey asks him to leave.


The next day, Joey goes to see Hetson, her advisor, and he shows her her final exam grade of A- which brings her semester final grade to a C+ which she is more than happy with. He points out the darkness of her final exam analysis and points out a passage of the book that helps her to reconsider her practical ways she had tried pushing on Eddie the day before. She leaves and heads back to her dorm, ready to go to Europe with him, but finds a note from him, bidding her goodbye, as he runs away again for a final time.


Pacey walks into the office and notices a somber mood and quickly learns that the Stepatech vaccine was rejected, thus tanking the stock and causing everyone to lose tons of money. Pacey is shocked when he realizes he lost all of Dawson’’s money. Worse yet, he reveals that he lost all of his own money as well, not saving anything as backup. He goes to Rich to ask for some money to cover him, offering to pay it back at whatever interest rate he wants, but Rich denies him, calling him a loser. Pacey immediately starts to attack Rich and the two fight, knocking over computers and tables, but in the end, Pacey stops, and Rich fires him. Pacey heads back to Capeside, and stands outside Dawson’s house, knowing he has to go in and deliver the bad news.

Dawson’s Trivia:

Irene Ziegler was Pacey’s secretary, Mrs. Seater. She’s made a few appearances in shows like The Red Road, Mr. Mercedes, The Walking Dead, and Satisfaction. She will also appear in the season finale of Dawson’s Creek as Jane Markey. She’s still working today, most recently in Doom Patrol, playing the part of Micki Harris.


The waitress was played by Melissa Claire Egan. She’s known for her roles of Chelsea Bourdreau in 1013 episodes of The Young And The Restless, and Annie Novak in 715 episodes of All My Children. We’ve seen her before in DC as she played the part of Charlie’s sister, Ilyse, in the episode “Use Your Disillusion.”

Essential Playlist:


Classic Creek Critiques:

Jen Davis says: Jo + P = zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. That's "Z" for ZERO CHEMISTRY together. While, the well-worn cliche that is Pacey's character -- i.e. the "bad boy with a good heart" -- might warm the hearts of, say, the teeny-bopper female set, the truth is that the P/Jo storyline has never put forth an ounce of honest, romantic tension! It's all very contrived.


Frankly, IMO, the show's erratic spiral downward *really* escalated around the time the two of them got together -- and has never recovered since. While, their pairing was certainly inevitable, it really only worked as a short diversion from the D/Jo storyline. Again, the "bad boy with a good heart" hooking up with the "good girl with a curiously wild heart" cliche might sit well with certain memebers of the audience. But, the reality was a big, dead-end thud, IMHO.


For my money, it's gotta be Dawson and Joey. They represent the overall warmth factor that has escaped the show in recent seasons. Yes, their romance may be rooted in "teenage idealism." But, sometimes the "big foreheaded geek" DOES get his first, true-love in the end! Sadly, IMO,

the writers most likely *will* go with Pacey and Joey in the end. It's probably more of what their target audience wants.


Just wanted to let the P/Jo majority here know that other opinions DO

exist. : )


tachyon responds: I'm all for intelligent debate :-) It doesn't bother me at all that not everyone likes P/Jo, I just don't like it when the reasoning is "but D/Jo are soupmates"...If there's a valid reason for your belief, then hey, I'm all for it! Truth be told, alot of P/Jo'ers annoy the hell out of me too. Now just so you know...I disagree with you :P


b...@aol.com says: I have got to disagree...This one scene is why... IMHO this is one of the best scenes ever...Season 3, From: "To Green with Love" [The Wall Scene]. 


I think the spiral came when they left capeside; it was a big change, and s4 had a lot of character movement that was all left in s4, not brought to s5; which is logical, however.

I do agree that is was a diversion from the D/J storyline, but that storyline at that point had been back and forth twice already; and was boring at that point...I will however give credit for them having Dawson find the old home-made video and giving it to Joey. One of the best things

Dawson has ever done.


Here's my big reason for disagreeing with your point: I don't really think that Joey was Dawsons true-love. Maybe I'm just too horribly biased; but I've made it a point to watch the episodes on TBS to really figure out if I ever felt Dawson & Joey were meant to be; I just can't see it. I see more of the growing up first love than I do true-love. Joey and Eddie I could imagine more of the true-love, even though I want the guy that made "True Love" to be with her. I will say, the way the last episode ended I'd almost be content if she wasn't with Pacey, as long as she wasn't with Dawson…


Of all the comments that have ever come out of Joey's mouth (with regards to Dawson, Pacey and even Eddie), the ones with the most emotion and passion have been about Pacey; I feel the same is true for Pacey about his women.


Thats why I'm a Pacey/Joey fan.


Thank you for putting the effort in to actually comment with thought. I love the push/pull conversations that get started :)


D&K Condron says: Well, I'm a 32 year-old Pacey/Joey fan, hardly a teeny-bopper and likely not

part of the target audience. I see lots of "honest, romantic tension" between them because they are just like the friends I grew up with. The Dawsons of my youth ended up with the popular girls, growing away from the girl-next-door crushes of their childhoods. The Paceys and Joeys were a much larger segment of the population, and therefore ended up together. Pacey and Joey speak to me as a couple because they are realistic in my memories, and realism means much more to me than fantasy. The reason a cliche becomes such is because it is so familiar, and familiar is comforting - at least for me. I cannot speak for the teeny-boppers (nor

would I want to ;)


Missa Star says:  have to agree. I was a strict Creek watcher until P and J got together. For

some reason, around that time, it just became so uninteresting. Though, I do have a question to pose. How many P/J supporters out there have watched the show from the beginning? This is a theory I've had while watching this board that those (though seemingly few) Dawson/Joey supporters tend to be those who were early viewers. This comment from a follow-up P/J post made me think about it even more in this way: "I've made it a point to watch the episodes on TBS to really figure out if I ever felt Dawson & Joey were meant to be; I just can't see

it."




The reason I began watching the show was because I related to the friend/sexual tension thing that D/J had. Maybe it's a diffiicult to go back on what you experienced first - in my case I see D/J being together as the main plot of the show. In the previous comment, the person had to see Dawson and Joey together after they were for P/J. It wasn't that way for some people.... that's all I'm saying.


Nowadays, it doesn't really matter to me who Joey ends up with; both P and D have both grown old. 


Melissa

F.Y.I. None of this was meant to be offensive, so I apologize in advance if it was. I was just wondering if there was a possible correlation between time watching and what pairing one is for.


tachyon says: I have watched the show since the beginning and am a P/Jo fan :-) In fact, I was a P/Jo fan right from the beginning, all that banter and passion in their relationship (platonic though it was at the time). Remember Modern Romance in season 1? The kiss? *sighs* Personally, I never really liked Dawson. He throws a hissy fit the second something doesn't go his way. I don't like arrogant people like that. I think you'll actually find that ALOT of P/Jo fans watched right from the start. I think your theory is just a bit off :-)


Missa Star says: Alas, it may be true.... it was just a theory - not completely tested. Ironically enough, I'm not a fan of either pair! I really like all of the characters as individuals... that's all!


b...@aol.com says: hey hey… that was me that made it a point to watch the TBS eps. I've watched since the beginning, but I wanted to see if I ever liked D/J (I mean it has been several years, and I know personally I've changed, so maybe my views would have too), and indeed I don't. 


The comments kat and tachyon made I totally agree with...in fact, the banter is one of the only reason I watch anything on the WB...Gilmore Girls is a perfect example. The stories on that show I find mostly pointless; again, maybe I've grown past it, but the dialogue is what keeps me tuned to the show. I can assume I'm in the minority, being a guy still watching this show...but maybe I like Pacey a lot more because he seems more "real" than Dawson.


On a side note, I kinda wanna beat the writers of the show for trashing Worcester (the place that Eddie lives) ...hey that's where I live. :P Its not that bad, but the police station does not have a pretty sign like they showed in the No Doubt episode.


Melissa Ann says: Ive been watching since the very first show and I have to say I lean more towards Pacey and Joey. Joey and Dawson dont seem to have the same spark that Pacey and Joey have. Their relationship is more real, than Dawson/ Joeys.


Dawson and Joeys love for one another is alot of close friendship and almost a brother/ sister type bond. It turned sexual for awhile, but notice how quickly it ended and stayed away. They make the best of friends, but as for lovers, I just dont think so.


I cant wait to see how it all ends, and no matter what the outcome, overall I really enjoyed Dawsons Creek. It made me laugh, it made me cry, it made me think. Its one of the few shows Ive watched from start to finish, and each and every character made the show great.


Rob Jobber says: Actually Bob, Worcester is dump and I reckon the writers were erring on the side of kindness, heh heh.


Angel Renee says: hello everyone I'm new to this group hope no one minds. I'm a Dawson's

Creek fan. I've watched it from the beginning up to now. I've even started watching the TBS shows of the mornings also. And I come to realized that I missed some shows but even what shows I did miss hasn't really stopped me from wanting pacey and Joey to end up together. AT the beginning I was all for Dawson and Joey and it just got where nothing really was happening with them except mainly being just the bestest of friends. Lets don't forget that its Dawsons fault to begin with cause Joey and Pacey fell in love. But I always believed deep down inside Pacey and Joey felt something more than just friends for each other. I agreed with KAt Pacey and Joey are more real than Dawson and Joey ending up together. But either way I'm a die hard Dawsons Creek fan 4 ever.


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Had…@webtv.net says: What was David thinking? What was there for Jack to apologize for?

NOTHING!!!! Jack wasn't flirting; he was being sociable. That's how Jack is; he's just a nice guy!


Coates90210 says: I agree... David went off the deep end on that one. I also like how ALL of

the gay men on this show are portrayed as HOT! Where ARE these guys hiding!!??? ;-)


Melissa Ann says: I agree.....I didnt think Jack had any reason to say he was sorry...he

was just talking to another guy.


Had…@webtv.net says: Only thing I can think is that it was because it was the same guy who

had been flirting with David earlier. BTW - how did he know David was gay? It wasn't an exclusively gay event.


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beth says: It's good to see that there are still new people being drawn to the show. I was a senior in H.S. when it started and have always been a loyal viewer. Do you watch the new shows on Wednesdays or do you just plan to get all caught up with the repeats and watch the episodes from this season on TBS once they get to them? Every one has changed a lot from the repeats being shown right now to the current season. It's cool to be watching the 1st and

2nd seasons on the reruns and see how far they've come since the beginning. But to answer your question about Jen, she doesn't really ever become a faithful Christian.


b...@aol.com says: good post...its nice to hear someone have a passion for this show unlike

us cranky bastards that just get frustrated with spoilers that make ours blood boil.


The show does do quite the job of making the forehead-boy in dawson come through... There isn't much in Varsity Blues.


I'd have to agree with you. The past 2 seasons have just lost something... some new characters have been great, some leaving have been horrible. I think all of the recent changes has made the show hard if not undesirable to talk about. It lost the soap feeling of the same characters every day...just when you start getting used to something they would do a total change in both plot and characters; maybe that's why I'm so damn cranky about this show lately.


Christineee la Queen says: The show debuted on January 20th, 1998. I know this because It was 20 days after my 13th birthday. For 3 years I never missed an episode [give or take a few] - - During their senior year, I watched them all but I taped quite a few of them. After they  raduated andd got to college, I watched - - buit after a few episoes I lost interest and started wtaching very spordicall - I did try and watch it every couple of weeks, though. Since I heard it was cancelled, I've been trying to catch up some this season, watching what I can. And I've

been watching and taping all the old episodes [on TBS] because those are the classic creek days, great episodes. :)


Melissa Ann says: Hi......Ive been a Dawsons Creek fan since it first started and ive seen every show.....sad to see it ending but i guess its about that time. im going to miss coming home from work wednesday nights and watching dawsons creek....most people i know dont watch the show so i dont have anyone to talk to about it, especially since its coming to an end. I think i will stick around and join this group, until its all said and done.... but if jen does die, that will be so damn sad....i have my likes/dislikes for each character, but poor jen =-( the last show better be a good one..... one to remember


Andie says: Hi Suzanne, i just added this group and i'm a DC fan from a long time... I agree with you deeply. I guess fans like me are a little disappointed cos things have gone too fast and all the simplicity the show had at first is wasted. I loved DC when Joey was a confused ironic girl and when Pacey was a funny and messed up teen. It reminded me of me and a friend of mine. Now, they're all strange and new characters appeared... Capeside was almost left behind and there's College, work and more mature things to work out. I think the essence of being a teenager lives forever inside of us. they've lost it. I stop watching it since the 5th season (when they got into college). And you're right again about 90210. I was young at the time, but here in Brazil ( i forgot to mention that) we can watch it from the beginning all over again. I hated it.

Whatever... Tell me more about the DVD cos it'll take a long time to get here. And i want it so hard!!!!!! Even if i don't have a player, i can still watch it at my boyfriend's. I just have to remember to ask him! Lol thanks anyway


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MoJo says: The Dr. Drew episode was the WORST episode of DC EVER. It might be the worst hour of television I've seen in about 5 years! It was crap! Isn't this show called DAWSON's CREEK??????? With four episodes left, he isn't even IN one of the last 1/4 of final episodes?????? CRAP! Shut down the show NOW! Don't even finish the finale! Send them all

home! Go home and watch the first season over again.


Mosaic says: I would have to agree that this episode wreaked! Only a handful of episodes left and you think they would be setting us up for the future ending of the show and they waste a whole hour with these two washups. Every show but the last will be irrelevant. Jumping 5 years into the future is lame in my opinion. It takes everything we have seen for the last 6 years and tosses it out the window.


mbg says: Agreed. POD.


Alex says: Then again, look at it this way. This show is about a group of kids who grew up in a small town and we watched as they went through high school and some college. The finale being how they turned out or what happened after their school years is quite suitable for the intention of the show

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